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That dreadful 8-5.
#1
Posted 2011-November-09, 01:13
So this hand came up in last night's duplicate.
♠AKJ109xxx
♥--
♦J109xx
♣--
Sweet. I'm north. East opens the bidding with 1♥. I bid 1♠(what would you have bid?). West bids 4♥ and my partner doubles. East passes and it's my turn to bid.
We're vulnerable and they're not.
What do i need for a slam? The right ♦high cards, and pretty much nothing else does the job. The right ♦high cards would make a grand too, of course.
If my partner doesn't have them, i'm going down. Definitely not much of a defensive hand, but i don't want to be the overambitious one.
So obviously i freak out, i bid 4♠, West doubles, I redouble (still unsure of my 4♠) and they all pass. Geez, that was easier than I thought.
I make +2 and feel bad about myself.
This is what my partner held:
♠xx
♥J109x
♦Ax
♣AKxxx
Ruff the heart lead, play the diamonds. Play trumps once (they're 2-1), ruff the third ♦ (they're 3-3) and i'm home. I'm not even sure if playing 6 it's the right thing to do (if diamonds are 4-2, i've got to rely on the short diamond hand to have shortness in ♠; ♠ 0-3 sets me).
Well guys. How would you have bid this monster?
♠AKJ109xxx
♥--
♦J109xx
♣--
Sweet. I'm north. East opens the bidding with 1♥. I bid 1♠(what would you have bid?). West bids 4♥ and my partner doubles. East passes and it's my turn to bid.
We're vulnerable and they're not.
What do i need for a slam? The right ♦high cards, and pretty much nothing else does the job. The right ♦high cards would make a grand too, of course.
If my partner doesn't have them, i'm going down. Definitely not much of a defensive hand, but i don't want to be the overambitious one.
So obviously i freak out, i bid 4♠, West doubles, I redouble (still unsure of my 4♠) and they all pass. Geez, that was easier than I thought.
I make +2 and feel bad about myself.
This is what my partner held:
♠xx
♥J109x
♦Ax
♣AKxxx
Ruff the heart lead, play the diamonds. Play trumps once (they're 2-1), ruff the third ♦ (they're 3-3) and i'm home. I'm not even sure if playing 6 it's the right thing to do (if diamonds are 4-2, i've got to rely on the short diamond hand to have shortness in ♠; ♠ 0-3 sets me).
Well guys. How would you have bid this monster?
#2
Posted 2011-November-09, 03:04
I like 1♠ and 4♠. I don't like XX as you may be -1 and turn a good board into a bad one (if they have 4♥ and most of the field is sacrificing in 4♠X), or more likely if they believe you they may well run to 5♥ rather than let you play 4♠XX when it makes.
#3
Posted 2011-November-09, 03:12
redouble is risky but it worked, note that partner doubled 4♥, if that's for penalty, chances of them running are petty low. Not an expert on this scores, did you beat slams doubled?
I don't see an alternative to 1♠ unless you play some conventional 4♥ bid, and if partner's double of 4♥ is take out I would bid more than 4♠.
I don't see an alternative to 1♠ unless you play some conventional 4♥ bid, and if partner's double of 4♥ is take out I would bid more than 4♠.
#4
Posted 2011-November-09, 03:24
Fluffy, on 2011-November-09, 03:12, said:
did you beat slams doubled?
NV: 4S XX + 2 is 4*120 + 100 (insult) + 300 (game bonus) + 2*200 (per overtrick) = 1280,
6SX = is 2*(180) + 50 (insult) + 300 (game bonus) + 500 (slam bonus) = 1210
V: 4S XX + 2 = 1880 (only differences are 500 game bonus and 400 per overtrick)
6S X = = 1660 (only differences are 500 game bonus and 750 slam bonus)
However 6SXX will beat both of these.
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#6
Posted 2011-November-09, 10:08
elvinueza, on 2011-November-09, 01:13, said:
Sweet. I'm north. East opens the bidding with 1♥. I bid 1♠(what would you have bid?). West bids 4♥ and my partner doubles. East passes and it's my turn to bid.
So the bidding has gone:-
E - S - W - N
1H - p - p - 1S
p - p - 4H - p
p - x - p - p
p - p - p - ?
Hmmmm, I think I am calling the TD as there appear to have been 5 passes in a row...
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#8
Posted 2011-November-09, 14:08
I would never redouble with this hand red/white. It seems any slam with this 8-5 is a shot in the dark and your +1190 for two overs is a great score. As it was, slam was touch and go even with all of these primes across. Redoubling says, yeah please sac while I collect my 500 (maybe).
The colors to redouble is w/r when you have a little defense too. There is substantial upside when you make, and if they run, you get a nice number too.
The colors to redouble is w/r when you have a little defense too. There is substantial upside when you make, and if they run, you get a nice number too.
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#9
Posted 2011-November-09, 15:07
you need to make life tough on the opps after they open 1♥ cause you can be sure they are going to make life hard for you ASAP at these colors. So an immediate 4♠ is your best shot to buy the contract while making it as difficult as possible for them to figure out if a sac makes sense.
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