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4333 raise

Poll: 4333 raise (24 member(s) have cast votes)

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  1. 3 heart invitational raise with 4 cards (4 votes [16.67%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 16.67%

  2. 3 diamond mixed raise (3 votes [12.50%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 12.50%

  3. 2 heart (7)8-10 raise with 3 cards (15 votes [62.50%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 62.50%

  4. 1NT then 3 heart 3 card limit raise (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. 1NT then 2NT balanced invitational (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. 1NT then 2 hearts 4-7 raise (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. other (2 votes [8.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 8.33%

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#1 User is offline   Fluffy 

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Posted 2011-November-06, 04:45

♠Q96
♥10864
♦AQ5
♣Q105


1♥-(pass)-??


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Posted 2011-November-06, 04:54

2H, then again I would not like to play a system where I could never systemically bid 2H with a soft 4 card constructive raise, because violating the system with that hand type seems fine to me.
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Posted 2011-November-06, 05:14

well that was just a gide, I bid 2♥ often with 4 cards also, in fact when this hand happened with a client I didn't have mixed raise avaible.
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Posted 2011-November-06, 07:20

this is a constructive 2♥ call
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Posted 2011-November-06, 07:47

I have no qualms about downgrading a 4 card support in a 4333 shape to 3 card support. The only time I did not do this in living memory, it was a disaster.
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Posted 2011-November-06, 09:13

♥♥ no problem yet
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Posted 2011-November-06, 10:44

View Postjillybean, on 2011-November-06, 09:13, said:

♥♥ no problem yet

don't start!! ;)
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Posted 2011-November-06, 11:02

2♥ - easy at pairs.

Same answer at IMPs?
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Posted 2011-November-06, 11:30

Yes. 2H all the way.

All evaluation methods I know hint at 2H.
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Posted 2011-November-06, 11:33

2H with that hand seems so right, and would occur often enough IMO that I wouldn't offer to an opponent who asked that 1M-2M shows a 3-card raise.
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Posted 2011-November-06, 11:53

Some of my partnerships have had the explicit agreement that 4333 hands have 3 cards in each suit.
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Posted 2011-November-06, 11:59

View Postakwoo, on 2011-November-06, 11:53, said:

Some of my partnerships have had the explicit agreement that 4333 hands have 3 cards in each suit.

I am sure that means something.
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Posted 2011-November-06, 13:14

View Postaguahombre, on 2011-November-06, 11:59, said:

I am sure that means something.


It means they shouldn't play prism signals
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Posted 2011-November-06, 21:03

View PostMickyB, on 2011-November-06, 13:14, said:

It means they shouldn't play prism signals

If we have an agreement that we can open a little light, then I bid 2♥, if we have solid opening ideals I invite game. My queens aren't isolated, Q9 QT and AQ so could work well for partner. If 2 of them were Q8x or worse I'd downgrade my hand and just bid 2♥ regardless of partnership style.
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Posted 2011-November-06, 21:17

View Postgwnn, on 2011-November-06, 10:44, said:

don't start!! ;)


wow, touchy aren't we! :)
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Posted 2011-November-07, 03:16

2♥ seems normal to me.
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Posted 2011-November-07, 08:21

partner had:

♠A10x
♥AKJxxx
♦Jx
♣Jx


partner passed 2♥ for a AV-, most people in 4♥ more than half making. ♦K is offside, on a spade lead you need to guess wich spade to play from dummy.

3NT is best in IMPs, and at MPs it would work also very well because the normal lead is a spade.
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