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Where is the borderline? Sharp edge between success and disaster in competitive bidding

#1 User is offline   jahol 

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Posted 2011-November-01, 05:11

You are vulnerable, opponents not, and your leftie opens the bidding with 4S doubled by your partner.
What would you bid after pass from the right with

a)xx---1098x---xxxx---xxx
b)x---1098x---xxxx---xxxx
c)xx---1098xx---xxx---xxx
d)x---1098xx---xxxx---xxx
e)x---1098xxx---xxxx---xx
f)x---1098xxxx---xxx---xx?

Could you specify, whether your bid is CP (clear pass), HP(pass with hesitation),
HH (bidding hearts with hesitation) or CH (clear heart bid)?

This topic represents real headache problem, I (and many others) had yesterday
(someone got headache immediately, someone later, after the board :-) )

Thank you
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Posted 2011-November-01, 05:23

a)xx---1098x---xxxx---xxx CP
b)x---1098x---xxxx---xxxx HP
c)xx---1098xx---xxx---xxx CP
d)x---1098xx---xxxx---xxx HP
e)x---1098xxx---xxxx---xx HH
f)x---1098xxxx---xxx---xx? CH

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the 3.


 rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

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Posted 2011-November-01, 05:49

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Posted 2011-November-01, 05:59

Three first are rather easy passes. Two last easy bids. d) is the problem hand and I might go either way. Would probably bid. (after a long hesitation)
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Posted 2011-November-01, 06:29

"Could you specify, whether your bid is CP (clear pass), HP(pass with hesitation),
HH (bidding hearts with hesitation) or CH (clear heart bid)?"

*** Was partner's X ClearX, HesitationX?
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Posted 2011-November-01, 07:02

View Postjahol, on 2011-November-01, 05:11, said:

You are vulnerable, opponents not, and your leftie opens the bidding with 4S doubled by your partner.
What would you bid after pass from the right with

a)xx---1098x---xxxx---xxx
b)x---1098x---xxxx---xxxx
c)xx---1098xx---xxx---xxx
d)x---1098xx---xxxx---xxx
e)x---1098xxx---xxxx---xx
f)x---1098xxxx---xxx---xx?

Could you specify, whether your bid is CP (clear pass), HP(pass with hesitation),
HH (bidding hearts with hesitation) or CH (clear heart bid)?

This topic represents real headache problem, I (and many others) had yesterday
(someone got headache immediately, someone later, after the board :-) )

Thank you

CP, CP, CP, CP, HP, HH
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Posted 2011-November-01, 07:24

View Postdake50, on 2011-November-01, 06:29, said:

"Could you specify, whether your bid is CP (clear pass), HP(pass with hesitation),
HH (bidding hearts with hesitation) or CH (clear heart bid)?"

*** Was partner's X ClearX, HesitationX?


Well, I am not sure, I may take THAT in consideration at bridge table.... :-)
But, Okay... all previous bids were pretty fast.. the bidding up to now took
something like 15 seconds...
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Posted 2011-November-01, 07:36

The first three are CP, the last three are CH. It's good to have clear criteria in your mind and save some time for the play or other, as of yet unclassified decisions.
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Posted 2011-November-01, 12:32

abcd = pass
ef= bid
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Posted 2011-November-01, 12:36

View Postjahol, on 2011-November-01, 07:24, said:

Well, I am not sure, I may take THAT in consideration at bridge table.... :-)
But, Okay... all previous bids were pretty fast.. the bidding up to now took
something like 15 seconds...


Of course you can't take that into consideration. Just bid your cards according to the calls you see on the table not to what your partner thinks or doesn't.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the 3.


 rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

Besides playing for fun, most people also like to play bridge to win


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Posted 2011-November-01, 15:02

Is anyone really expecting to make 5H on any of these? I'd pass them all.

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Posted 2011-November-01, 15:40

I would bid on (f) and pass the rest. I'd be worried about (e). Well, I'd be worried about all of them, given my blizzard, but (e) would worry me for more than just what -590 or -690 cost.
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Posted 2011-November-03, 04:38

I would clearly pass on a-b-c-d and bid on f.

I agree with mikeh that e is the only difficult hand. I would have bid a month ago, but maybe now I think it is better to pass. Certainly a hand that you will get wrong quite often either way.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2011-November-03, 06:25

I would bid with e and f. Seems fairly clear to me.

I would consider 4N with d. If partner has a 5 card suit then we have several strains in play. But its too dangerous.
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Posted 2011-November-04, 12:44

Indeed, the problem was hand e). Those, who passed, ended with -590, or
even -690 after bad mistake in defence. The board was


As you can see, those who bid 5H ended with -1100 (all of them). Still, I am not sure, whether to bid or not next time...

I apologize, I used hand generator for the first time and I did not manage to address board vulnerability correctly. As I wrote in the contribution starting this topic - we were vulnerable, the opponents not.
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