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Posted 2011-October-21, 16:03
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Posted 2011-October-21, 16:18
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Posted 2011-October-21, 16:37
1♦ most of the days. But I could pass.
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Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.
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Posted 2011-October-21, 16:45
1♦...I don't see this as being particularly close.
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Posted 2011-October-21, 17:02
1♦ and I don't think it's close either. If I was hypothetically not allowed to open 1D I'd open 3D rather than passing.
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Posted 2011-October-21, 17:05
If in our partnership, 2d were available as a natural weak two, I would immediately find a different use for the bid....if for no other reason, so I wouldn't be tempted to bid 2D with this hand.
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Posted 2011-October-21, 17:27
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Posted 2011-October-21, 20:41
1D. I also find this not close. Lol at pass.
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Posted 2011-October-21, 21:18
aguahombre, on 2011-October-21, 17:05, said:
If in our partnership, 2d were available as a natural weak two, I would immediately find a different use for the bid....if for no other reason, so I wouldn't be tempted to bid 2D with this hand.
Ridiculous post....I can understand those, well sort of who think this soft hand is worth 1 ♦BUT If you are playing weak 2s and your range is 6-11, then why not 2 ♦?? Did I miscount?..My calculator says 11, if I count on my fingees I have 11....what is the 11 for anyways if you won't bid 2 ♦with 11..is there 11 counts you will open 2 ♦ with?
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Posted 2011-October-21, 21:58
Onedown, on 2011-October-21, 21:18, said:
Ridiculous post....I can understand those, well sort of who think this soft hand is worth 1 ♦BUT If you are playing weak 2s and your range is 6-11, then why not 2 ♦?? Did I miscount?..My calculator says 11, if I count on my fingees I have 11....what is the 11 for anyways if you won't bid 2 ♦with 11..is there 11 counts you will open 2 ♦ with?
Perhaps before you start calling people's posts ridiculous, you might consider that there might be those who like their preemptive openings to look differently than you do. It is a seven-loser hand with outside cards and suitable for play in another strain or in NT. Just because you have a bid available to show a point count which overlaps the point count of an opening one-bid, does not mean that you need to use it.
There are other considerations, such as the many people above who also believe it is a comfortable 1D opening. If you would rather open it a weak two, go ahead. I would not call that choice ridiculous, merely suboptimal.
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Posted 2011-October-22, 01:11
I would consider 2D r/w, but at w/w I would always just open 1.
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Posted 2011-October-22, 01:25
1D > 3D > 2D >>>> pass
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Posted 2011-October-22, 02:17
Playing a weak NT, I might venture 1NT. But otherwise 1♦ is clear.
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Posted 2011-October-22, 02:34
Onedown, on 2011-October-21, 21:18, said:
Ridiculous post....I can understand those, well sort of who think this soft hand is worth 1 ♦BUT If you are playing weak 2s and your range is 6-11, then why not 2 ♦?? Did I miscount?..My calculator says 11, if I count on my fingees I have 11....what is the 11 for anyways if you won't bid 2 ♦with 11..is there 11 counts you will open 2 ♦ with?
I've never heard of a 6-11 range, that seems too wide. 8-11 or 6-10 are fine but if I played 6-11 I'd always be reluctant to open with 11. But sure I would with something like Qx xx KJT9x KQx. Surely not KQJxxx and 5 more useful points. Anyway, I don't understand aguahombre's post so I'm not defending it, I just want to say that 6-11 is an uncommon and probably unsound range.
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Posted 2011-October-22, 03:38
Onedown, on 2011-October-21, 21:18, said:
[Ridiculous post]....I can understand those, well sort of who think this soft hand is worth 1 ♦BUT If you are playing weak 2s and your range is 6-11, then why not 2 ♦?? Did I miscount?..My calculator says 11, if I count on my fingees I have 11....what is the 11 for anyways if you won't bid 2 ♦with 11..is there 11 counts you will open 2 ♦ with? [/Ridiculous post]
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Posted 2011-October-22, 13:38
Agree with Sarah.
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Posted 2011-October-22, 14:12
At MPs I would open 1D 25% of the time and 3D the rest. Maybe I'm in the wrong Forum.
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Posted 2011-October-22, 14:26
I would pass unless I have a weak two in ♦ available or a mini notrump and yes, I do not consider it close.
I am not a Roth Stone fan and open other hands which many would pass.
I am well aware that most Bridge players overvalue this type of hand constantly and refuse to learn from their results.
The distribution is not good, neither is the honor structure.
To prove my point I ran a simulation (1000 deals) giving partner exactly 12 HCP and balanced distribution.
3NT made on 207 deals and was down on 793 deals. Average number of tricks was 7.3
Now single dummy you will make 3NT a little bit more often, but nowhere often enough.
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I am not a Roth Stone fan and open other hands which many would pass.
I am well aware that most Bridge players overvalue this type of hand constantly and refuse to learn from their results.
The distribution is not good, neither is the honor structure.
To prove my point I ran a simulation (1000 deals) giving partner exactly 12 HCP and balanced distribution.
3NT made on 207 deals and was down on 793 deals. Average number of tricks was 7.3
Now single dummy you will make 3NT a little bit more often, but nowhere often enough.
Rainer Herrmann
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Posted 2011-October-22, 14:39
rhm, on 2011-October-22, 14:26, said:
I would pass unless I have a weak two in ♦ available or a mini notrump and yes, I do not consider it close.
I am not a Roth Stone fan and open other hands which many would pass.
I am well aware that most Bridge players overvalue this type of hand constantly and refuse to learn from their results.
The distribution is not good, neither is the honor structure.
To prove my point I ran a simulation (1000 deals) giving partner exactly 12 HCP and balanced distribution.
3NT made on 207 deals and was down on 793 deals. Average number of tricks was 7.3
Now single dummy you will make 3NT a little bit more often, but nowhere often enough.
Rainer Herrmann
I am not a Roth Stone fan and open other hands which many would pass.
I am well aware that most Bridge players overvalue this type of hand constantly and refuse to learn from their results.
The distribution is not good, neither is the honor structure.
To prove my point I ran a simulation (1000 deals) giving partner exactly 12 HCP and balanced distribution.
3NT made on 207 deals and was down on 793 deals. Average number of tricks was 7.3
Now single dummy you will make 3NT a little bit more often, but nowhere often enough.
Rainer Herrmann
So how does 3D do in simulations? Too difficult a calculation, so it is just a judgement choice.
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Posted 2011-October-22, 14:41
Of course I agree that this is not a good hand. But all white at matchpoints, it's not all about games. If partner forces to game, we may be too high, and we may not. But if partner does not force to game, I'm happy to have taken the first call.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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