[Hanoi5]

All white, MP's:

♠Txxx
♥JTx
♦J8xx
♣KT

Pa-1♥-2♦-2♥
Pa-3♠-4♦-X
Pa-5♦-Pa-???

Do you think 2♥ is too much?
Do you play doubles in this situation show the worst possible hand?
Can 5♦ be exclusion KC or does it ask for the club control in order to play 6?

[aguahombre]

No, I don't think 2H is too much.
Double of 4D is not only a denial of any strength, it is a suggestion to defend 4D doubled (within the context of having shown 3 hearts).

Partner seems to have a shortness fetish with a lot of clubs, since there must have been a better opening bid than 1H without the 2-suiter. 6 hearts now.

[Zelandakh]

2H is not too much. Double is penalty unless you have agreed some kind of inversion. Passing instead should be forcing. 3S is presumably showing length rather than shortage (or a control) in your methods(?) (The choice for a jump sometimes depends on the choice of game try available). 5D could be exclusion if you agree it but would normally be showing first round control in diamonds, most likely a void, and interest in higher things. If 3S were control-showing rather than shape then I guess 5D can only be identifying a problem in clubs.

[gwnn]

what was 3♠?

[Hanoi5]

3♠ was a cue-bid, either length or strength.

[gwnn]

I disagree slightly with 2♥. 6-9 is a normal raise; I often do it on less, but this really doesn't look like a good 5 to me. Our double was penalty. Partner's 5♦ merely shows a void. It could be argued that we must bid 6 whenever we have a club control but I am not 100% sure. And I have such a bad hand that I will bid 5♥.

[the_dude]

2♥ is fine, imho getting the fit off your chest at the two level is better than worrying about it when the auction comes back to you at the 5 level.

I think double shows little interest in playing 4♥ and at least Qxx of diamonds. Partner should be able to make a decision.

Over 5♦ ... obviously the K of clubs is golden .. the question is whether it is good enough to make up for your lack of anything else. My partner is very aggressive with his slam tries so I put him back in 5♥. With a conservative partner I would bid 6.

[xxhong]

I usually pass 2D here, because even give you one more ace, it is still a 2H bid and you have D length and don't mind defending 2D if partner passes with 2. 2H may often get you to negative scores. Also, I pass 4D, I use pass to show the weakest hand. Now I just bid 5H.

 Hanoi5, on 2011-October-20, 18:44, said:

All white, MP's:

♠Txxx
♥JTx
♦J8xx
♣KT

Pa-1♥-2♦-2♥
Pa-3♠-4♦-X
Pa-5♦-Pa-???

Do you think 2♥ is too much?
Do you play doubles in this situation show the worst possible hand?
Can 5♦ be exclusion KC or does it ask for the club control in order to play 6?

[MrAce]

After bidding 2♥ i am not doing anything else with this hand, just correcting all cues to cheapest ♥ contracts.

[sasioc]

I will definitely bid 2♥ on this, especially love all at pairs. I do not play double of 4D as showing a weak hand but if you do I can see why people are tempted to bid slam. This said, it feels to me like if slam was good partner would have opened 2C (given that p is unlikely to have a club control it needs a lot in the majors to be percentage) and, especially playing the x of 4D as penalties (as I do), I am not moving again.

[aguahombre]

I would not open 2C with A AKXXXX - AXXXXX. But, like I said earlier, partner would have to be a splinter nut to bid 3S with that after the heart raise instead of 3C.

3S was a splinter on my planet, so with the subsequent auction, that is all I can think of for him to hold.

[jmcw]

Pretty much noone will fault the 2♥ bid so I won't bother.
OP says partner's 2nd suit is ♠ so my hand may have improved on the double fit. King of ♣ looks like a working card...Bid 6♥.

[aguahombre]

 jmcw, on 2011-October-22, 23:35, said:

OP says partner's 2nd suit is ♠

Yeh, I know. Different planet...same result, 6H.