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What does this bid show? Is this a splinter?

Poll: Splinter Bid? (30 member(s) have cast votes)

What does this bid show?

  1. splinter for spades (3 votes [10.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 10.00%

  2. good minor 2-suiter (27 votes [90.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 90.00%

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#1 User is offline   dboxley 

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Posted 2011-October-19, 05:04


What is the 4♣ call?
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Posted 2011-October-19, 05:06

good minor 2 suiter
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Posted 2011-October-19, 05:56

View PostJLOGIC, on 2011-October-19, 05:06, said:

good minor 2 suiter

can't say it better than that
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Posted 2011-October-19, 20:49

Does GB 2NT affect the meaning or does 4♣ now just show a very good 2 suiter?
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Posted 2011-October-23, 18:28


is a not dissimilar auction. I am told this is played as showing six diamonds and five spades in Surrey, and a splinter for hearts in other English counties. Which is why I was surprised by one of the votes for a splinter in competition.
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Posted 2011-October-23, 18:34

View Postlamford, on 2011-October-23, 18:28, said:


is a similar auction. I am told this is played as showing six diamonds and five spades in Surrey, and a splinter for hearts in other English counties. Which is why I was surprised by one of the votes for a splinter in competition.


It is not even remotely similar fyi.

In the OP example , opener is jump bidding a suit which was implied by pd, or at least was not implied by opponents, while in your example opener is jump bidding a suit implied by opponents and not pd.
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Posted 2011-October-23, 18:37

View PostMrAce, on 2011-October-23, 18:34, said:

It is not even remotely similar fyi.

In the OP example , opener is jump bidding a suit which was implied by pd, or at least was not implied by opponents, while in your example opener is jump bidding a suit implied by opponents and not pd.

Therefore the splinter interpretation should be more likely in the second example. But I agree that the auctions are different, although the doubler in the second example hand does not have to have spades, just as the doubler in the OP does not need to have clubs.
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Posted 2011-October-24, 01:26

View Postlamford, on 2011-October-23, 18:28, said:


is a not dissimilar auction. I am told this is played as showing six diamonds and five spades in Surrey, and a splinter for hearts in other English counties. Which is why I was surprised by one of the votes for a splinter in competition.


3S is a splinter because 2S (a reverse) would be forcing. 4C in this auction is not a splinter because 3C (the minimum bid of a suit) is NF.
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Posted 2011-October-24, 02:21

View PostJLOGIC, on 2011-October-24, 01:26, said:

3S is a splinter because 2S (a reverse) would be forcing. 4C in this auction is not a splinter because 3C (the minimum bid of a suit) is NF.

Indeed, and in the case to which Lamford refers the main argument for treating 3♠ as natural was that 2♠ would have been non-forcing.
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Posted 2011-October-24, 18:19

I like AJAR (AllJumpsAreRaises) here splinter's
for partner's hearts.
That makes others go through 2NT (good/bad) ie.
Long diamonds, Strong bal, Big 2nd suit. Or lower bids.
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Posted 2011-October-25, 08:12

View Postlamford, on 2011-October-23, 18:28, said:


is a not dissimilar auction. I am told this is played as showing six diamonds and five spades in Surrey, and a splinter for hearts in other English counties. Which is why I was surprised by one of the votes for a splinter in competition.

Agree with MrAce ( ie your example is in no way similar ).

And in your example, 4C! ( instead of 3S ) would be a jump-cue splinter for Hts.
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Posted 2011-October-25, 11:31

View Postdboxley, on 2011-October-19, 20:49, said:

Does GB 2NT affect the meaning or does 4♣ now just show a very good 2 suiter?

Because of the likelihood of more competitition by the opponents, I believe the GB 2NT should be single-suited diamonds (weaker than 3D); 3C competitive in clubs; and 4C, as others say, strong 2-suiter.

This way, your partner is in on what is happening when the opponents raise the level in their suit.
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Posted 2011-October-25, 15:25

Rule: don't make splinters on inferred suits. Reason: not forcing on pard a tube of aspirines.
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Posted 2011-October-27, 03:35

View Postwhereagles, on 2011-October-25, 15:25, said:

Rule: don't make splinters on inferred suits. Reason: not forcing on pard a tube of aspirines.

So what would you take

1♦-1♥-x-2♥
4♥

as? Or maybe I'm misunderstanding the word "inferred".
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Posted 2011-October-27, 03:41

LOL...that would be infra-red suits.
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Posted 2011-October-27, 03:45

View Postgwnn, on 2011-October-27, 03:35, said:

So what would you take

1♦-1♥-x-2♥
4♥

as? Or maybe I'm misunderstanding the word "inferred".


Probably a splinter, though I wouldn't be 100% sure on the suit. Could be spades, could be a minor, who knows? I would definitely avoid making such a bid if I had an alternative.

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Posted 2011-October-27, 07:49

View Postgwnn, on 2011-October-27, 03:35, said:

So what would you take

1♦-1♥-x-2♥
4♥

as? Or maybe I'm misunderstanding the word "inferred".


this is clearer than the OP's auction. A splinter for ♠
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