[han]

Both hands are played at IMPs, I forgot the vulnerability.

AQ10xx
x
QJ8x
QJx

1S - (Dbl) - 1NT* - (p)
2C - (Dbl) - 2H - (3D)
??

1NT showed clubs. Do you agree with 2C or would you have bid 3C? What now?

108xx
Qx
10xx
K9xx

(1C) - 1H - (1NT) - p
(2C) - Dbl - (Rdbl) - ??

All natural, your call?

[pooltuna]

pass
2♠

[Fluffy]

agree with teh tune, althou on first bidding 3♣ is appealing the round before

[whereagles]

1. 2C is fine.

Warning: I've been in a similar situation once and decided to bid 3C on a nice, albeit min, sexy black 55. This left pard in a quandry with his decent 8-count and he was more or less end-played to bid 3NT. That was not a sucess. Afterwards I examined the hands and concluded 2C was the only way to avoid disaster. This hand isn't even close to what I had, so to bid 3C would be even more dangerous. Jump-support on methods like these need at least a medium hand, so that pard can confidently bid on with some values.

Anyway, over 3D I'm going to dbl. This can be a bloodbath.


2. If I can rely on pard having 4 spades most of the time, 2S. Else I prefer 2H.

[gszes]

hand one
I would have called the director for
more information if all I got was 1n
promised clubs (sheesh). Since I have
to guess what kind of power the 1n bid
shows I will assume it is less than
game forcing and use the following :
we are a longggggggggggg way from 5c
especially with the xer behind us so
I am quite happy with
2c followed by PASS

hand two

My hand is so bad any contract w/o an x
is a good one. I think 2s is too unilateral
here and I would begin with

2H

If RHO x 2h THEN I would bid 2s. P would then
KNOW what to do. It is still remotely possible
3d could be our best spot and we can never get
there if we bid 2s immediately.

[Phil]

1. Is there a alternative to 2♣? Other than wanting to wish I bid it a round earlier since it would have been tougher for them to enter the auction, to me it shows extra values and is not similar to 1♣ - x - 1♦ (hearts) - pass - 2♥. Now I'll pass since they appear to have missed their preferable heart fit.

2. 2♠. I'd like to protect the ♣K initially even though it may not matter.

[aguahombre]

Hand 1: If 1NT showing clubs is anything like the way we use the Capp/1Mx, then this hand is close, but not really 3C. At the point of choice between 2 and 3 clubs, we expect zero to 12 count with club length. IMO, 3C should be a bit more offensive in nature ---though it would not show a power opening bid.

Now, when 3D comes to me, I am glad about that earlier 2C decision. I found out that partner is not broke because she made another bid. Double of 3D seems easy in that context, and if CHO has a zero count with eleven rounded cards she will remove.

[Fluffy]

gszes, on 2011-October-18, 14:29, said:

hand one
I would have called the director for
more information if all I got was 1n
promised clubs (sheesh).

The director looks at you puzzled, then blinks, he approaches his head to you, and says: -What?

[han]

On hand 2, does everybody play that pass says you want to play 2CXX? That is a bit alien to me.

[JLOGIC]

2C is from another planet to me. If the aution went:

1S X 2C(nf) p

like everyone used to play, is anyone passing? You have 3 clubs and a stiff. How many points extra is this hand worth from AQTxx QJx QJxx x which would also bid 2C? Partner has bid freely at the 2 level, he is extremely likely to have a 6 card suit, I don't see how bidding 2C is a bid.

Passing 3D is unfathomable to me. I am going to bid 5C. Obviously something weird has happened, partner has bid strongly and the opps have bid strongly. I think partner's most likely shape is 2506, so ripping them probably won't be great. I just feel bad ripping them with such great club support that I have never shown. The choice is between 5C and X for me.

[whereagles]

Justin, there's a big difference between

1♠ dbl 1NT* (*=clubs)

and

1♠ dbl 2♣ (NF)

The 1st auction is unlimited; the 2nd is limited to say 8-9. You can freely raise the 2nd auction because pard won't get happy. Not so with 1st auction: if you show more than a minimum (& pard my take 3C as such), there's considerable risky pard takes you seriously. See my post above.

Of course, you can fix this by playing lebensohl 2NT by opener or whatnot but, without specific agreements, bidding 3C on a min can definitely get you into trouble 1st auction.