[benlessard]

regular transfers when you are probably outgunned in values = You do not understand competitive bidding.

Look at it for opponents point of view

It allow 2 options for bidding a suits . direct bid & Pass and bid,

It allow 3 options for X. X and pass, X and X & pass and X

It also allow a cheap cuebid.

[mycroft]

benlessard, on 2011-November-15, 09:38, said:

regular transfers when you are probably outgunned in values = You do not understand competitive bidding.

Look at it for opponents point of view
It allow 2 options for bidding a suits . direct bid & Pass and bid,
It allow 3 options for X. X and pass, X and X & pass and X
It also allow a cheap cuebid.

In exchange, the (strong) NTer is on lead if we play.
The described hand is on the table if we play.
Wild two-suiters can get both suits in, and you can (at least frequently) distinguish which one's longer.
At least with the system I used to play, you don't get to bid 2♣, so you don't overcall on stupid club hands. In addition, when you *do* overcall in clubs, you take the entire 2 level away (while still allowing lebensohl over 2♠, of course).

None of the above apply when we choose to pass the transfer to play in our suit, of course, but then again, neither of your first two apply either. When you overcall very aggressively, the chance that "my suit is better than your suit" is high enough that the opponents do have to deal with it (I would suggest that the right hand for that came up once or twice a year (almost always in diamonds, for some reason)).

[the hog]

As someone who has often played a 10-12 NT, I am delighted when i sit down against opponents who play transfer overcalls. Why? The method id inferior for reasons i have mentioned earlier, and it also indicates to me that the opps have not thought through the ramifications of the method. If you reallu must play something like this, at least play SOAP, which is far better than any of the methods described in this thread so far.

[glen]

Compare:

2♦: either major (multi, but not weak)

to

2♦: transfer to ♥s
2♥: transfer to ♠s

Scheme 1 (2♦=1M) frees up the use of 2♥ for other meanings, at not that much cost compared to the transfers of Scheme 2.

[benlessard]

agree and it make life much more difficult for the oppenent.

PS Glen there is a typo in your signature its a great quote by H.L Mencken

[gwnn]

not a typo, it's a pun.

[jillybean]

the hog, on 2011-November-15, 20:49, said:

As someone who has often played a 10-12 NT, I am delighted when i sit down against opponents who play transfer overcalls. Why? The method id inferior for reasons i have mentioned earlier, and it also indicates to me that the opps have not thought through the ramifications of the method. If you reallu must play something like this, at least play SOAP, which is far better than any of the methods described in this thread so far.

Hi Ron, what is SOAP? I can't google it.

[gwnn]

http://www.blakjak.d...k/def_1nt11.htm

2♣=♥
2♦=♠
2♥=4 hearts+6m
2♠=4 spades+6m

[mycroft]

glen, on 2011-November-15, 22:26, said:

Compare:
2♦: either major (multi, but not weak)
to
2♦: transfer to ♥s
2♥: transfer to ♠s
Scheme 1 (2♦=1M) frees up the use of 2♥ for other meanings, at not that much cost compared to the transfers of Scheme 2.

Except, at least in the ACBL, the inability of legally playing it in 90% of the games. But then you knew that :-)

Having said that, it will change eventually. I'm hoping, really, that when it does, we go back to "all defences to NT allowed" rather than carving another "one-system" exception into the GCC.

[jillybean]

gwnn, on 2011-November-16, 09:51, said:

http://www.blakjak.d...k/def_1nt11.htm

2♣=♥
2♦=♠
2♥=4 hearts+6m
2♠=4 spades+6m

Wow, you're a wizz, thanks. ♥ ♥

[phil_20686]

mycroft, on 2011-November-16, 10:33, said:

Except, at least in the ACBL, the inability of legally playing it in 90% of the games.

lol.

<Something involving Americans and safety labels to rude to say publicly>

[the hog]

jillybean, on 2011-November-16, 11:45, said:

Wow, you're a wizz, thanks. ♥ ♥

There is more to it than that.
Over 2C 2D denies a H fit and shows 4 or 5 S; same with 2D 2H.
2NT over 1NT shows the minors.
SOAP stands for System over artifical pre emption. It can be used over ferts and other artificial pre emptive bids as well as over 1NT. We use it as a generic defence to these bids.

[Free]

jillybean, on 2011-November-16, 11:45, said:

Wow, you're a wizz, thanks. ♥ ♥

Jillybean imitating Lurpoa, now I've seen everything

[Lurpoa]

Free, on 2011-November-17, 03:26, said:

Jillybean imitating Lurpoa, now I've seen everything

♥ ♥ ♥


I think it is fun


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