[pirate22]

you are dealer and vuln opps not.

and you pick up-not a Goulash Tourney...

7--AKQJ1065--AKQ109--Void..from l/r

sp--hts--diam--cl void

if precision???
sayc ??
sayc 2/1 ??
Acol ??

[the hog]

One's opening system depends on what specific Ace asking bid one was playing. In my case it would be 3NT.

[aguahombre]

the hog, on 2011-June-07, 02:23, said:

One's opening system depends on what specific Ace asking bid one was playing. In my case it would be 3NT.

Yep.

2C-2D
3H...for us it sets trump and demands right now for responder to show cheapest ace. If He shows the spade ace, I will make the auction very short at IMPS.

At MP's, will bid 4C after finding the spade ace and find out whether to shoot 7NT. If we get interference higher than 3H before I can bid 3H, oh well.

[whereagles]

hmmmm.... some forcing opening and we'll see about it later. I'll probably lose patience at some stage and shoot 6♥ ahaha.

[Hanoi5]

Goulash? I don't think it's a good idea to play a normal system in goulash. Maybe the answer is to start slow, 1♥ or even 1♦ and make it look like we're the ones sacrificing over 5♠.

Of course if you don't feel creative or willing to take chances just open 6♥.

[Cyberyeti]

Hanoi5, on 2011-June-07, 06:09, said:

Goulash? I don't think it's a good idea to play a normal system in goulash. Maybe the answer is to start slow, 1♥ or even 1♦ and make it look like we're the ones sacrificing over 5♠.

Of course if you don't feel creative or willing to take chances just open 6♥.

He said NOT A GOULASH

4N for me, 7♥ over 5S, 6♥ over anything else.

[Free]

The systemic specific Ace ask please.

[Hanoi5]

Cyberyeti, on 2011-June-07, 06:18, said:

He said NOT A GOULASH

4N for me, 7♥ over 5S, 6♥ over anything else.

Oops! I didn't read the 'not', just Goulash Tournament. I agree with 4NT specific aces, 2♣ to set hearts as trumps early or 6♥ in case I'm not feeling talkative.

[pirate22]

I like FREE reply-----------
elaborate, could we be missing a grand slam?
more answers plse.

[Free]

pirate22, on 2011-June-07, 18:50, said:

I like FREE reply-----------
elaborate, could we be missing a grand slam?
more answers plse.

Ofcourse we can miss a grand slam. Partner can have a ♠ void which we won't discover after a specific Ace ask.

For me it's 4NT, then if partner responds 5♣ (no aces) or 5NT (♣A) we bid small slam, if he bids 5♠ (♠A only) then we bid grand.

[Lurpoa]

pirate22, on 2011-June-07, 01:07, said:

you are dealer and vuln opps not.

and you pick up-not a Goulash Tourney...

7--AKQJ1065--AKQ109--Void..from l/r

sp--hts--diam--cl void

if precision???
sayc ??
sayc 2/1 ??
Acol ??

Open with the GF 2♣ in SAYC, Std Acol or BWS2001.

In Precision I guess, you should open 1♣.

[pirate22]

This is an old "Chestnut".......when partner opens 4 n/t
it is a request to nominate ones aces.
No aces=5cl
Ace diam= bid 5d
Age hts =bid 5hts
Ace spa =bid 5sp
If you have Ace cl =bid 6cl
and if one shld have 2 aces=bid 5 n/t

[jonottawa]

7♥ I bid what I think I'll make (the 65 of ♥ add substantially to entry potential.) I tend to play these hands one trick better than the other fellas. If LHO started with the ♠A and not the ♣A, unlucky ... sick, even. You get a couple of hands like this in a lifetime, you should bid them accordingly.

[Zelandakh]

You can also invert the last 2 responses (5NT = CA and 6C = 2aces) as per Free's post and there is a (very) small advantage in doing so.

[jonottawa]

7♥ I'll bid what I think I can make.

[mtvesuvius]

2♣ then 3♥ or whatever your forcing opening is, followed by asking partner to cuebid. Easy game when your partner isn't a pirate.

[TheoKole]

In any system, I would open 3NT, even if I was playing precision sayc, 2/1, whatever!

This is a specific Ace asking system almost always with a void. Precision players should also have some kind of system like this, in my opinion, for goulash type hands like this. Precision loses a lot of its value with goulash type hands. Opening a strong 1 ♣ (Precision) on these type of hands is like sticking your head on the chopping block. Don't be too surprised when the bidding comes back to you at the 5 or 6 level, and then you will be guessing.

Guessing which slam to bid is a situation that should never ever happen when you play precision. You have to foresee the possible or likely bidding of the opponents and get your asking bid to partner RIGHT AWAY. Opening 2 ♣ playing sayc or 2/1 is basically the same situation. I guarentee you that if an opponent opens 2 ♣ and I have a spade suit like the one floating around in someone's hand on this board (2 to 1 it is in an opponents hand), that I will bid. What if it is in partner's hand? How do you try and stop him from bidding spades to the hilt, sitting down like a good puppy on this hand and simply answering the question of aces that you need to know.

This is a COMMAND BID situation if I ever saw one, especially since it is not a goulash tournament. Partner will never imagine this hand. Especially if he has a void in ♥. Command bids basically say to partner, I am in command on this hand. Answer the question and nothing else, no opinion is required from you on this hand.

Best of luck,

Theo

[pooltuna]

pirate22, on 2011-June-07, 01:07, said:

you are dealer and vuln opps not.

and you pick up-not a Goulash Tourney...

7--AKQJ1065--AKQ109--Void..from l/r

sp--hts--diam--cl void

if precision???
sayc ??
sayc 2/1 ??
Acol ??

strong clubs systems; 1♣. SAYC and others systems that use 2♣ as an artificial game force: 2♣. Mastermind calls: 7♥

[hrothgar]

I'd probably open 6♥ regardless of system.

I am (probably) masterminding, but I anticipate a highly competitive auction.
I don't think that I am likely to be able to discover the key pieces of information that I need.
I'm going to make the bid that causes the most trouble for the opponents.

[pooltuna]

jonottawa, on 2011-June-11, 20:06, said:

7♥ I'll bid what I think I can make.

oh goody essentially a 33% grand slam