[Flem72]

Playing WNT and 2/1, what is your rebid with

Kxx
KTxx
x
AKJTx

after you open 1C and partner bids 1S?

Regards and Happy Trails,

Scott Needham
Boulder, Colorado, USA

[mike777]

2s

sometimes I am max for a bid.

[whereagles]

2♥ for me. I'm ok with 2♣ as well, but prefer the light reverse with this sexy hand.

[Free]

2♠, partner already expects extras in form of HCP or distribution. Hopefully you have a method to distinguish between 3 and 4 card raises, but even without I think 2♠ is theoretically superior.

[han]

2S.

[blackshoe]

I'm with the underbidder and others: 2♠.

[gwnn]

Don't many weak NT-ers promise 4 spades no matter what when they raise? If so, we probably need to choose between 1NT (intending to show 15-17 balanced with 3 spades) and 2♥.

[mikeh]

This is a tough one for the Kokish-style weak notrump, in which 2♠ shows 4 card support. This approach works extremely well when one has 4 card support, but causes problems on hands like this one.

I play this style with 2 partners, and would bid 2♣ with each. It helps, to a modest degree, that we play meckwell such that we are not going to miss a 4-4 heart fit....he will have the values to bid over 2♣ if he has 4 hearts.

The only time this costs is when we belong in spades and can't get there because he passes 2♣. It helps that an immediate 2♠ would have been a wjs.

To me it is clear to raise to 2♠ if it is systemically possible. If not, and if you don't play meckwell and wjs 2♠, you really are stuck, but I would go with 2♣ anyway...so long as we get by this round, we may be able to catch up later, while if we reverse, we'll never persuade partner we are a full K or even an Ace light.

[mgoetze]

I hope 1♠ didn't show spades... 1♥ would be a much better bid for that.

[aguahombre]

Undoubtedly, xfer responses would clear up the number of spades on the first rebid. Don't know how common that excellent style is in 2/1 or Standard, though.

[pooltuna]

I think the best lie is probably 2♠ even if they are expecting 4. When I put down the dummy I will just say "Good luck, Sonny"

[the hog]

2S for me. You certainly cannot bid 2H as you don't have the strength to reverse. It is not a "lie", Pooltuna.

[whereagles]

Ron, ye bean-counter

[gordontd]

gwnn, on 2011-September-12, 14:23, said:

Don't many weak NT-ers promise 4 spades no matter what when they raise?

Not in my experience.

gwnn, on 2011-September-12, 14:23, said:

If so, we probably need to choose between 1NT (intending to show 15-17 balanced with 3 spades) and 2♥.

In those circumstances, I would have thought 2♣ would be the least twisted rebid.

But I agree with the majority that 2♠ is the standout rebid.

[Fluffy]

I would rebid 1NT making an undisciplined raise of 2♠ playing strong no trump.

But playing weak NT, I don't know, 2♠ if your system allows, otherwise 1NT, 2♣ is fine I guess but I don't wanna miss my 5-3 fit.

[pooltuna]

the hog, on 2011-September-12, 18:14, said:

2S for me. You certainly cannot bid 2H as you don't have the strength to reverse. It is not a "lie", Pooltuna.

okay. What word would you use to describe a call that is a card short of what your system notes say is promised?

[xxhong]

2S would be a huge underbid, 4S has an excellent play facing Axxxx Qx xxx Qxx.
2C is also very bad, suppose partner holds the above hand, it's also unclear to invite. Therefore, I probably vote for an overbid of 2H. Those two tens should be useful to play in 3NT when you don't have a 8 card S fit.

Flem72, on 2011-September-11, 16:37, said:

Playing WNT and 2/1, what is your rebid with

Kxx
KTxx
x
AKJTx

after you open 1C and partner bids 1S?

Regards and Happy Trails,

Scott Needham
Boulder, Colorado, USA

[aguahombre]

pooltuna, on 2011-September-14, 08:54, said:

okay. What word would you use to describe a call that is a card short of what your system notes say is promised?

In this case, and given the weak NT structure, I would call it the best lie, or the least misdescriptive, or the best choice from among flawed bids.

[Flem72]

xxhong, on 2011-September-14, 14:14, said:

2S would be a huge underbid, 4S has an excellent play facing Axxxx Qx xxx Qxx.
2C is also very bad, suppose partner holds the above hand, it's also unclear to invite. Therefore, I probably vote for an overbid of 2H. Those two tens should be useful to play in 3NT when you don't have a 8 card S fit.

Our card at this game was K-S influenced; my partner is trying to get used to it. In that approach, 2H is completely kosher, b/c the hand values to 18ish opposite 5 or four good spades and R MUST bid 2S with 5+. Now, 3S shows precisely this range, 17-18ish with 3 cards. However, if R is very weak, s/he will bid 2N Ingbermanish to get out in 3D even with a stiff--whereupon O must decide whether to play 3S. So opposite

Qxxx
Qxx
x
Qxxxx

we might need some help. But neither I nor my K-Sish partners would ever underhold like that. I just know it.

Regards and Happy Trails,

Scott Needham
Boulder, Colorado, USA

[whereagles]

I don't understand. Why is 2H forbidden?