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#21 User is offline   gnasher 

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Posted 2011-September-06, 13:45

I think it's better to combine a weak hand with a game-forcing one. You can do that with each minor, so you can show three strengths of each, eg:

double = interest in penalising
2 = clubs, game-forcing or weak
2 = diamond support, game-forcing or weak
2NT = clubs with secondary diamonds
3 = clubs, invitational
3 = diamond support, invitational
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2011-September-06, 14:25

Well, I like my major suit honors enough to go for 3NT right away.
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Posted 2011-September-06, 14:48

View Postgnasher, on 2011-September-06, 05:01, said:

It means you can't make a non-forcing bid in clubs (unless you're using 2NT for that?)

With double, 2, 2, 2NT, 3 and 3 available, it ought to be possible to show all the hands you want.


It also means he can't raise diamonds if he has no stopper in a major, surely this comes up sometimes?
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Posted 2011-September-06, 14:56

With my pard a 3nt bid shows specifically 4 x 3 13-15. I can bid 2 as limit + for but it denies this shape so I'm not sure I want to. We start double with anything else.

3nt also shows my major suit cards so I'm happy going forward if pard takes a move.

That's just our current agreement with room for improvement.
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Posted 2011-September-08, 00:08

1D 2D ?

1.2H=H STOPPER 10P+,3NT TRY
2.2S=S STOPPER 10P+,3NT TRY
3.2N=10-11P S/H STOPPER BUT NOT STRONG OTHERWISE DBL,IMPLY D FIT.
4.3C=INV 9-11P C6+ OR GOOD C5
5.3D= D FIT 7-11P
6.3H/3S=SPL GF
7.3N=11-16P S/H STOPPER BUT NOT STRONG ENOUGH OTHERWISE DBL,IMPLY D FIT
8.DBL=10P+ OTHERS

Here i prefer DBL...
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Posted 2011-September-08, 00:33

Well, as some have suggested, I doubled. I was slated by both partner and team-mates for this call, who said that some sort of cue (we hadn't particularly discussed what flavour of UvU we were playing).

Auction now proceeds as follows:

1D (2D) X (4S)
P P ?

What now?

No agreement as to what partner's pass shows.
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Posted 2011-September-08, 03:44

View Postmr1303, on 2011-September-08, 00:33, said:

Well, as some have suggested, I doubled. I was slated by both partner and team-mates for this call, who said that some sort of cue (we hadn't particularly discussed what flavour of UvU we were playing).

Auction now proceeds as follows:

1D (2D) X (4S)
P P ?

What now?

No agreement as to what partner's pass shows.

:P How annoying! You now have to mastermind this hand. This underscores the virtues of UvU which you correctly didn't use because it was undefined in your partnership. Against reasonably solid citizens bid 5. Against wildmen dbl. The club and heart hooks should be on, but every suit is breaking badly, and your QJx is worthless on offense.
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Posted 2011-September-09, 02:15

I doubled again. The predictable -590 with 7D cold our way.

Partner held:
(roughly, pips might be wrong).

Who was to blame here?
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Posted 2011-September-09, 13:05

Very interesting. The straight 3NT is likely to be rested. The diamond support bid strikes gold here.
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