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#1 User is offline   jillybean 

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Posted 2011-September-05, 14:20

MP, 2/1

♠AK86
♥AQ654
♦A63
♣Q

1♥:1N*
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Posted 2011-September-05, 14:27

2S. Fibbing a little is okay if you have no good alternative, but here that isn't the case. This hand looks more suit-oriented anyway with all those nice controls but no spots. You can get to notrump if that's the right strain.
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Posted 2011-September-05, 14:38

2♠, and however badly that works out, I'll bid 2♠ next time also.
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Posted 2011-September-05, 14:56

2♠ wtp?
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Posted 2011-September-05, 15:14

2♠ Aces and Kings are meant for suit play.

We all know pard denies 4 cards in ♠ (I hope) and a 3♦ bid next if I can make it shows what I have to a T.
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Posted 2011-September-05, 16:38

Neither. 3NT! (Assuming 2NT is natural and invitational.)

If partner puts me back in 4H, fine. If partner responded on an ugly 4-count, maybe he'll learn not to.
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Posted 2011-September-05, 17:15

I think bidding 2N with 4522 is fine, but with 4531 just bid out your shape. We could belong in 6D, 4H in a 5-2 fit, etc, and the best way to decide where to be is to describe our shape to partner and let him guide us.
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Posted 2011-September-05, 18:13

With good Majors suits I'm bidding 2♠. However, I often wonder if this is the best use for this bid!

Why reverse into a suit partner has denied. I suppose the rebid structure is what's important.

Anyone care to share their rebids after 2♠?, or is that for another thread?
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Posted 2011-September-05, 19:23

Definitely 2♠. Hopefully we get the chance to show our 12th card next.
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Posted 2011-September-05, 22:15

Ok, now what?

1♥:1N
2♠:2N
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Posted 2011-September-05, 22:16

3♦. TYP.
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Posted 2011-September-05, 23:47

3♦ you're partner now knows you are:

4=5=3=1 or 4=5=4=0 with a 17-20 countish hand. Place the contract, thank you p.
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Posted 2011-September-06, 00:10

2S, Show the shape.

In a 2/1 context, p may still have 4 spades.
This is oof course depend, what you put in the forcing NT, but if
you put weak raises in the 1NT, than 4 are possible.

2N over 2S would be Lebensohl / Inbbergman, what ever you call it.
I dont think it is clear cut to force to game, espesially in a 2/1
context, so I dont have problems with just bidding the 3C relais or
with 3D.

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Posted 2011-September-06, 08:40

View PostPhil, on 2011-September-05, 22:16, said:

3♦. TYP.



View PostBunnyGo, on 2011-September-05, 23:47, said:

3♦ you're partner now knows you are:

4=5=3=1 or 4=5=4=0 with a 17-20 countish hand. Place the contract, thank you p.


Playing leb/reverse do you still ignore the relay to 3♣?
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Posted 2011-September-06, 08:47

View Postjillybean, on 2011-September-06, 08:40, said:

Playing leb/reverse do you still ignore the relay to 3♣?


Yes, I do. I think my hand is strong enough to force game opposite a partner who could respond with a forcing NT.
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Posted 2011-September-06, 12:12

2♠ some partners won't call 1♠ with a suit that looks like 8642 when they have the values for 1NT.
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