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Posted 2011-September-05, 11:06


You are playing UDCA.

Click the NEXT button to see the first three tricks. What do you play to trick four. Is the correct defense "clear". What can you speculate about the unseen hands?

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Posted 2011-September-06, 02:10

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Posted 2011-September-06, 05:31

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Posted 2011-September-06, 09:03

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Posted 2011-September-06, 09:36

This one is probably a little over the B/I range I think.

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Posted 2011-September-06, 16:09

No need for too complicated analyis. We should never play pd for A because if he has this declarer can not make.

We all seem to agree that declarer has 2353 shape.


When pd has AT9xx , both and now defeats 1NT

When pd has A9xxx or ATxxx , now wins

When pd has A, only back now wins.

When pd has A, it doesnt matter we always defeat

When pd has Q, it doesnt matter, we can never defeat because declarer then has to have A and making 2+2+2+1 and we cant cash 7 tricks before he does.

When pd has Q + J it doesnt matter we always defeat regardless of what we play again.

My choice is now as i said earlier, not only because of pd's choice of bidding, but also i am losing only if declarer has J9 JT doubleton which by the way declarer could have made it by simply playing another after K if he had one of those holdings.
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Posted 2011-September-06, 16:30

View PostMrAce, on 2011-September-06, 16:09, said:

No need for too complicated analyis. We should never play pd for A because if he has this declarer can not make.

We all seem to agree that declarer has 2353 shape.


When pd has AT9xx , both and now defeats 1NT

When pd has A9xxx or ATxxx , now wins

When pd has A, only back now wins.

When pd has A, it doesnt matter we always defeat

When pd has Q, it doesnt matter, we can never defeat because declarer then has to have A and making 2+2+2+1 and we cant cash 7 tricks before he does.

When pd has Q + J it doesnt matter we always defeat regardless of what we play again.

My choice is now as i said earlier, not only because of pd's choice of bidding, but also i am losing only if declarer has J9 JT doubleton which by the way declarer could have made it by simply playing another after K if he had one of those holdings.


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Posted 2011-September-06, 20:56


The posters have rationalized the hand well, and found the killing return (your last spade). The rationale about partner has only one diamond is fairly clear, and his club signal is helpful. Of course, we should all quickly get the 6 to 8 points for partner. So you can work out fairly closely partner's hand. The key decision is to return a diamond to kill an entry to the "long club" in dummy, and return a spade to set partner's long suit up while he still has an entry. As you can see, the hand was just a Mr. Ace proposed that needed the spade return.

I think Phil's logic about partner not underleading spade ACE is useful in determining the best play.

Give yourself a lot of credit if a.) you worked out everyone's distribution, b.) you remembered to count partners hand out. This one I think is advanced defense level, but thought the problem would be challenging and educational for the upper intermediates.


This how Defenders did against NT by East. Notice holding this to 6 tricks is not easy. Actually the two 6 tricks and 5 trick defenses benefited from poor declarer play, not great defense.

Contr   Ld   Tr  Score   Pts
3N	E D7	7   200   2.93    	
2N	E D7    6   200   2.93    	
1N	E D7    5   200   2.93    	
1N	E H7	6   100   0.07    	
3N	E D9	8   100   0.07    	
2N	E C3	7   100   0.07    	
1N	E D7	7   -90  -4.93 
1N	E D2	7   -90  -4.93    	
1N	E D7	8  -120  -5.87 

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