[MrAce]

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IMPS, no agreement on pd's pass over 5♣. Opponents are world class.

Whats your bid ?

[JLOGIC]

What is my other option besides 5H? I won't double with no tricks. Passing just seems weird, they will have a had time doubling us if we're down, and we might make, and they might make. It could be a winner but I can't see doing it.

[jdeegan]

5♥ Lotsa trumps around the table, so it could even be a double game swing. I got zero defense. However, World Class opponents favorably vul might be jacking me around, esp. if they were old rubber bridge players from Bobby Nail's playing duplicate. I hardly expect to beat World Class opponents every time on these types of hands, even playing opposite myself.
Most minimum hands I can construct give us at least a play for five, though. Pard opened 1♥ on a ten high suit, so he should have at least three bullets or four serious high cards and maybe a stiff club. With a doubleton club and all those non-heart high cards he might well have doubled.
I am, generally speaking, encouraged to bid by partner's pass. The usual rule is that his pass is forcing if we have voluntarily agreed to bid to game. Since my 3♣ bid was strong, but not I assume absolutely forcing to game, there is an ambiguity. I would still consider his pass with ten high trumps as suggesting I bid on, and I surely have the right hand to bid on.

[billw55]

I don't know what to think. Partner's pass suggests doubt about bidding on v. doubling. Which means he doesn't have a bunch of side suit quick tricks - if he had those with his crap hearts, would he have doubt? But .. side suit quick tricks are exactly what I need to make 5♥. I suppose ultimately I bid 5♥, based only on "when in doubt, bid one more." But at a real table I'd probably blow a gasket first.

[Phil]

I know the hand but 5♥ looks pretty obvious.

[BunnyGo]

Even though Phil knows the hand, I agree that 5♥ seems to be the winning bid. My hand is about as bad for defense as a 14 point hand can be (I could easily see 5♣ making) and while the offensive values are a bit too clustered, I can't see passing or doubling (or trying for slam) as viable options.

[whereagles]

Pard probably passed 5♣ despite his likely club singleton because he of his bad trumps. It's not hard to come up with minimum hands opposite which 5♥ makes, so that's my bid. We need him to have some aces and kings (as opposed to quacks), but that's not too big a prayer in these circumstances.

[MrAce]

This was an interesting hand. I was 1♥ opener and i held (spots are irrelevant so i just made them up w/o looking original hand record)

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6♥ from N is a perfect contract. I don't know if i could/should have bid differently as north. I seriously smelled it at the table (well BBO), just didnt have the balls with AKQJ of trumps missing in my hand.

Do u agree with my pass or would you bid 5♥ ? And would u bid 6♥ pver pd's 5 ?

[pooltuna]

I bite the dust for 6♥ personally I think once a game invitation is issued FP ought to be in force and so partner's pass should indicate very strong minor holdings but I have no call which is investigatory for a grand slam that make any sense here.

Because the hand diagram is so small I cant tell the difference between a ♣ and a ♠ so I thought the auction was actually 1♥ 2♠ 3♠ 5♠. Considering the actual auction I would probably just call 5♥

[whereagles]

hmm.. would have bid 5H with pard's hand.. me haves void.

bidding slam over your 5 is.. well, trying to make up for lost ground. may work here but prolly not sound on the long run.

[mikeh]

I think the arguments expressed for 5♥ make sense. i would add that in my partnerships we weren't in a fp situation since 3♣ forced only to 3♥. I think this is a common approach.....when we haven't forced to game, our passes become nf at a level higher than that to which we have forced.

Here, of course, it is easy to see that partner's values are in the pointed suits, and we can't not bid 5♥...indeed, missing slam is possible, but I don't think we can do anything about it.

[jogs]

MrAce, on 2011-August-26, 11:28, said:

This was an interesting hand. I was 1♥ opener and i held (spots are irrelevant so i just made them up w/o looking original hand record)

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6♥ from N is a perfect contract. I don't know if i could/should have bid differently as north. I seriously smelled it at the table (well BBO), just didnt have the balls with AKQJ of trumps missing in my hand.

Do u agree with my pass or would you bid 5♥ ? And would u bid 6♥ pver pd's 5 ?

If South had doubled, would you have pulled to 5♥?

The initial pass is standard. It's a forcing pass on partner.
22 trumps boards are unusual. Don't know if there are standard
rules dealing with them. You could have raised 5♥ to 6♥.
Certainly not absolutely clear. You do know there's only one
loser outside of hearts and partner wasn't willing to double 5♣.

[quiddity]

I think I would have bid 6 but it's hard to say now that I've seen the hand. In my partnerships the limit+ cuebid creates a force at the 5-level, and if partner is making a forcing pass with ten-high in trumps he probably has the nuts.

[vianu2]

I like the board so i want to make a comment (not necessarily expert).
I don't understand the point of playing 3cl* forcing to 3h only. I really don't understand and don't like it.
So if 3cl is forcing to game, the pass over 5cl is forcing and now if partner X , i pass and if he bids 5h i pass too.

I already bid a lot with my forcing pass, having only a,k,k and the void.
Partner could have bid more. He bids over a forcing pass and he has akqj trump. What can i have to pass forcing, when he has akqj trump ?! I would bid 6H with his hand, q spade and jx dia are a big plus.

P.s.
I have two questions.
1.I don't like the 3cl bid, having akqjxx trump and almost anything more. As a dilettante, and not playing conventions, i would bid 4H, Vulnerable against not, i find this bid much descriptive than the 3cl (3cl makes no sense for me). I have a very offensive hand with almost 0 defense. I don't see what I am looking for with the 3cl bid.
So: is that 4H so "weak" as i need to show more, with 3cl?
2.I'm curious , will you bid the slam if P-1H-2cl-3cl-P? How?

[wank]

no reason whatsoever for pass to be forcing. it's not compulsory to concede a score ending in 90 (er....or 50 here) when the opps bid game just because you've got 20 HCP between you.

[han]

If 3C promised 4 hearts then I would bid 5H with the north hand. I like to be able to show 4-card support immediately.

[JLOGIC]

han, on 2011-August-29, 07:06, said:

If 3C promised 4 hearts then I would bid 5H with the north hand. I like to be able to show 4-card support immediately.

+ 1 million

[MrAce]

han, on 2011-August-29, 07:06, said:

If 3C promised 4 hearts then I would bid 5H with the north hand. I like to be able to show 4-card support immediately.

No it did not promise 4 unfortunately