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Responder temporarily hiding 6-2 fit Rebidding your suit with slam in mind

#1 User is offline   bd71 

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Posted 2011-August-19, 07:55



Playing that responders rebid of his/her suit does NOT cancel the game force...

Is there any argument here to bidding 3, checking if partner has a fit as a way to explore slam likelihood? If you rebid 3 right away, seems like you lose that option, but bidding 3 still leaves you the option of playing in .

Obviously, this stems from a partnership disagreement...partner thought the priority in all situations must be to show the 6-2 spade fit.

Appreciate your thoughts.
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Posted 2011-August-19, 07:59

yeah partner probably doesnt like to show extra values either. 3 to be followed by 4 for me
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Posted 2011-August-19, 08:15

2 doesn't show a 6th spade for 90+% of 2/1 systems. They often require opener's 2NT to be perfectly honest, i.e. 5332 and stops in both rounded suits, so 2 is absolutely normal with some 5332 without a stop. Another kind of hand that would rebid 2 is 54 without extra values (yes some people bid 3 on anything but most don't).

Another treatment I like is to have 2 then 3 show a very good suit, like you really really want to play diamonds, so that would be out.

3 is out because I don't have 4 clubs. There's little need of inventing suits in 2/1.

Here I like 2NT because it keeps bidding low and we can still look for a fit. Of course, this means that we're rebidding 2NT without a stop but I think this is probably best. 2NT by responder is just sort of asking for more info from opener, 3 with 54, 3 with 3 cards, 3 with 6+ spades. It should work. Of course if he rebids 3NT there's a chance we get a heart lead and go down.

So 3 might be the best of all, suggesting usually 3 but probably fine with this hand too.
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Posted 2011-August-19, 08:28

Agree with gwnn. Since the vast majority of 2 bids don't show a 6th spade, raising here should show a 3rd spade. I think I should have a heart card for 2N, so I'll just rebid 3D. I don't see a need to invent a lie with this hand, but if you're going to tell one (I suppose so that you're sure to get your spade bid in there, avoiding, say, 1S-2D; 2S-3D; 3N), 2N with no heart or 3S with KQ both seem equally reasonable.
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Posted 2011-August-19, 08:52

I agree that 2 does not gaurantee 6 of them and that the way to find support is to bid 2nt or 3 as you prefer and reserve the hoped for 3 bid for your partner.

I don't mind 2nt but my preference is for 3 clubs. If that gets raised I think we belong in 4 spades.
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Posted 2011-August-19, 10:15

3S feels fine. If opener now bids 4S, we will be in a 6-2 fit. This is not a "serious 3NT" situation, and pard can bid 3NT with only five. Because she didn't bid 2NT the previous round, I will probably opt for the 5-2 spade game.

Can't bid 4D enroute after 3NT, because that would sound too slammish (but it is close).
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Posted 2011-August-19, 10:43

I agree with 3, only because it puts the partnership on solid footing for the remainder of the auction, assuming we have good agreements. I expect a serious cue, a friv 3N or 4 to indicate blecch.

I think my plan is:

- Over 4, pass
- Over 3N, 4 (this one's close - I'll signoff in 4 over 4/4)
- Over 4, 4 (Lackwood anyone?)
- Over 4 (showing the Q), 4, LTTC.
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