respond to double
#2
Posted 2011-August-13, 09:03
1♦ your best suit, usually limited to about 8 or 9 points...with more strength you could jump to 2♦.
1NT usually about 8 to 10 points with a stop in ♣
Pass converting the Double.
I think it's a close call. 1♦ seems safest, but rather consevative, 1NT gets the hand mostly off your chest but the shape is not ideal. Pass has some appeal especially if the scoring is matchpoints which I will assume.
Pass = 10
1NT = 7
1♦ = 5
2♦ = 3
#3
Posted 2011-August-14, 00:56
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"
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#4
Posted 2011-August-14, 01:39
(honest question)
#5
Posted 2011-August-14, 02:29
#6
Posted 2011-August-14, 03:28
the hog, on 2011-August-14, 02:29, said:
the 1D slight underbid is acceptable, but if partner then bids a major we cannot rebid 1NT. If my partner doubles, then bids 1H, we are in game in hearts; she is too strong to overcall. If she doubles, then bids 1S/my 1D, we are in game in notrump.
#7
Posted 2011-August-14, 04:48
Antrax, on 2011-August-14, 01:39, said:
A very good question. I am not sure at all, and though I might pass anyway at matchpoints, I think I will more often bid 1♦.
-- Bertrand Russell
#8
Posted 2011-August-14, 04:50
aguahombre, on 2011-August-14, 03:28, said:
Sure, if your partnership has such a massive hatred of ELC (Equal Level Conversion), then good for you. Others may have a more flexible view of how much strength 1♥ or 1♠ shows here.
-- Bertrand Russell
#9
Posted 2011-August-14, 05:08
Antrax, on 2011-August-14, 01:39, said:
(honest question)
Yes, it is good enough. One sure trump trick maybe, but very often QJT84 will be 3 trump tricks, and if partner has the Ace or King we might have 4 trump tricks. We don't have an eight card major fit (partner would overcall 1♥ with 5), we expect to have at least half the pack and often more, and we have a stack in the opponent's suit. When the deal is a partscore, passing will often pick up 200 or 500, with some -140s. When we have a game (3NT) we will often collect more than 500.
The only problem with passing is that opener will often run - the opponents have an 8 or 9 card spade fit, and I won't defend 1♠X.
#10
Posted 2011-August-14, 07:10
Antrax, on 2011-August-14, 01:39, said:
{snip}
Are you sure that opposite a minimum opening partner with club shortness, you will set 1♣?
These two questions are not identical. There are hands where you make a penalty pass where you are not sure that you will set the doubled contract that you are volunteering to defend against. The point is that 200 and 500 are really nice results to take home, worth the occasional -140. -340 is just about impossible. We are trying to maximise our imp expectancy and in this case double seems to be that action. 1NT will make most of the time but that is only +90 or +120. These clubs will be happier to be trumps, they can be useless in our NT contract.
George Carlin
#11
Posted 2011-August-14, 07:15
gwnn, on 2011-August-14, 07:10, said:
Well, except when we're not. -140 could be pretty horrible at matchpoints.
-- Bertrand Russell
#12
Posted 2011-August-14, 07:16
I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding Lawrence or if people here just disagree with his view. As an aside, if it were W/W, would people be less inclined to pass?
#13
Posted 2011-August-14, 07:42
mgoetze, on 2011-August-14, 07:15, said:
And +200 could be pretty sweet at matchpoints.
George Carlin
#14
Posted 2011-August-14, 07:48
aguahombre, on 2011-August-14, 03:28, said:
mgoetze, on 2011-August-14, 04:50, said:
Actually, we just have different views of the double of 1C. Minimum opening strength hands sometimes pass 1club, and sometimes overcall. We use ELC when a major has been doubled and a club advance is converted to diamonds, and don't extend it to the one-level so that we can make off-shape doubles of 1m.
Notice I stated "if my partner doubles" and "we"...not presuming what you or your partner does or should do.
#15
Posted 2011-August-14, 09:25
Antrax, on 2011-August-14, 01:39, said:
(honest question)
What layout produces only 1 trump trick?. I can't think of one. Reasonably, I expect to take 3 trump tricks
655321, on 2011-August-14, 05:08, said:
Yes, it is good enough. One sure trump trick maybe, but very often QJT84 will be 3 trump tricks, and if partner has the Ace or King we might have 4 trump tricks. We don't have an eight card major fit (partner would overcall 1♥ with 5), we expect to have at least half the pack and often more, and we have a stack in the opponent's suit. When the deal is a partscore, passing will often pick up 200 or 500, with some -140s. When we have a game (3NT) we will often collect more than 500.
The only problem with passing is that opener will often run - the opponents have an 8 or 9 card spade fit, and I won't defend 1♠X.
Why would opener "often" run. His partner passed the double, can he reasonably expect to improve matters. I do agree the ops may have a 4/4 ♠ fit, but will they find it? will it improve their chances to make?. If they run to 1♠, and partner DBL's I would leave it in and expect to beat it.
#16
Posted 2011-August-15, 02:01
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If opener has ♣AK9xx(x) over your ♣QJT8x, he can finesse the 9, no? Especially true if your partner leads a trump (and he has a five-card suit).
#17
Posted 2011-August-15, 02:41
Antrax, on 2011-August-15, 02:01, said:
Well, if you think this is the layout, you should insert the ten on the first round of the suit. Subsequently declarer will have to play trumps from hand and your QJ8 will all take tricks. The only exception is when dummy has a long running suit where declarer can threaten overruffs, but this is very rare in a 1-level contract.
-- Bertrand Russell
#18
Posted 2011-August-15, 03:58
#19
Posted 2011-August-15, 04:10
aguahombre, on 2011-August-14, 03:28, said:
Fair comment.
#20
Posted 2011-August-15, 04:30
George Carlin