[jules101]

You are playing a weak NT (12-14) and open majors with 4+ cards.

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Too strong to open 4♠ first in hand, not good enough for a game forcing 2♣ opener, but after any noise from pard I was planning to bid game.

Do you fancy

double? Strong hand, and then supporting ♥, or rebidding ♠?

2♥? This is NF, and maybe you don't play in a 4-4 fit?

3♠? Also NF, but must be showing a very good hand (just short of a GF hand I suppose), with 6+ card ♠.

Or something else?


Please explain your choice.

Thanks very much in anticipation.

[1eyedjack]

I double. Partly to protect partner in case wanting to sit it for penalties. If partner pulls the double to Diamonds and I then pull it back to Spades I think I will have just about shown my hand. If partner pulls the double to 2 of either major I pop it up to the 3 level in that major.

[vianu2]

jules101, on 2011-August-10, 10:49, said:

You are playing a weak NT (12-14) and open majors with 4+ cards


Too strong to open 4♠ first in hand, not good enough for a game forcing 2♣ opener, but after any noise from pard I was planning to bid game.

Do you fancy

double? Strong hand, and then supporting ♥, or rebidding ♠?

2♥? This is NF, and maybe you don't play in a 4-4 fit?

3♠? Also NF, but must be showing a very good hand (just short of a GF hand I suppose), with 6+ card ♠.

Keeping in mind that partner would X t/o with some 5,6 + hcps and red suites, or he would support spades with 5,6 hcps and 3 cards and so on.. then we expect to much and obviously there is not game.
Of course he may have club penalty. Or a not forcing ♦ bid , and u play it forcing .
So u start with X to see what is doing your partner then if he bids only 2h or 2sp this is your contract.
Of course if u pass on the level 2 u allow opps to reopen the bidding and because i don't like them playing when i have 10 cards in majors, i will encourage my partner on the level 3.

[quiddity]

vianu2, on 2011-August-10, 11:08, said:

Keeping in mind that partner would X t/o with some 5,6 + hcps and red suites, or he would support spades with 5,6 hcps and 3 cards and so on.. then we expect to much and obviously there is not game.

I would need 7-8 for a 2-level negative double, and I can imagine making game opposite Kxxx of hearts and out.

[vianu2]

quiddity, on 2011-August-10, 12:08, said:

I would need 7-8 for a 2-level negative double, and I can imagine making game opposite Kxxx of hearts and out.

"Kxxx and out " and a spade lead to AKJ yes why not . Always claim 4 hearts , no matter trumps are 4-1.

[mgoetze]

We have a nice hand, but still a loser or two more than partner rates to cover for a game. Double distorts the shape too much for my taste. So I would just bid 2♥, which conveys as much of my shape as possible, and, while NF, still shows a decent hand. The tougher question here, IMHO, is whether to bid 3♠ if partner corrects to 2♠.

[paulg]

Double.

I'll bid spades over diamond responses and raise two hearts to three. At matchpoints I'd pass a two spades response.

[phil_20686]

vianu2, on 2011-August-10, 13:49, said:

"Kxxx and out " and a spade lead to AKJ yes why not . Always claim 4 hearts , no matter trumps are 4-1.

You would be astoundingly happy oppose Kxxx H and doubleton spade, since you would make whenever both majors 3-2 and should be able to survive a 4-1 spade break. You might concievably survive a 4-1 break in both majors if they do not lead a club. Or partner has a useful card.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

first of all, you did not think the hand worth a game
forcing opening bid, so why would you want to make a
forcing bid now?

If you are looking at your hand, than your hand says,
spades should be trumps, you have nearly 50% of your
values in spades (downgrading the single king), hence
it is either 2S or 3S.
Both bids are fine, and will ensure, that you play your
best fit most of the time and nearly always a reasonable
fit.
But if you wont sell out to 3C, and this decision is a
decision you make now, than bid 3S at once.

And finally, commenting on some remarks made in this thread
- If you have the sensible agreemnt to always bid, if you
are short in their suit, than 2H and 2S dont show add.
strength, they only say something about your shape, and say,
that you dont have interest in going for blood.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[aguahombre]

Double seems right, for now.

2H would give partner an expectation that I have 5 of them; and unlike the hand from the other thread, whatever happens next I will have begun to clarify the nature of the opening hand without particular worry about inadequate result from a leave-in.

[mgoetze]

aguahombre, on 2011-August-13, 15:15, said:

2H would give partner an expectation that I have 5 of them;

So then you should definitely bid 2♥, to work on correcting that expectation.

[aguahombre]

mgoetze, on 2011-August-14, 04:46, said:

So then you should definitely bid 2♥, to work on correcting that expectation.

No, thanks. I will stick with that preference; but I won't presume to state that you should or would change your thoughts on it. There is a difference between giving one's opinion (from which people choose theirs) and being opinionated (believing everyone should adapt to my way).