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#21 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2011-August-05, 08:40

Lurpoa paraphrased said:

Nobody is sorrier than me that the police officer had to spend his valuable time writing out a parking ticket on my car. Though from my personal standpoint I know for a certainty that the meter had not yet expired, please accept my expression of deep regret at this unfortunate incident.

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Posted 2011-August-05, 08:43

View PostJLOGIC, on 2011-August-04, 04:56, said:

I love redheads


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Posted 2011-August-05, 08:44

View PostLurpoa, on 2011-August-04, 05:54, said:

Sexist and not to the point.



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Posted 2011-August-05, 09:56

View PostLurpoa, on 2011-August-05, 08:08, said:

We understand now
Our apologies to Justin
We did not understand his joke. I hope he understands - English is not our native language.
Maybe he could take that into account when making postings like he does.

No. English is the language of this forum, and the vast majority of us understand the subtleties and are amused by wordplay. If you do not understand the language as well as others, then you should refrain from making quick responses to posts that are not perfectly clear to you.
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Posted 2011-August-05, 19:01

View PostLurpoa, on 2011-August-05, 08:08, said:

OH ! We understand now. Our apologies to Justin. We did not understand his joke. I hope he understands - English is not our native language. Maybe he could take that into account when making postings like he does.
A gracious apology - :) :) :) a rare event on BBF :)

View PostLurpoa, on 2011-August-05, 08:08, said:

We Lve you all PS: and an upvote for Flem: that was a constructive contribution, not one full of vitriol.
Flem's contribution was instructive :) I learnt something :) Thank you :) but now we're back to normal :( :( :(
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Posted 2011-August-06, 00:34

View PostBbradley62, on 2011-August-05, 09:56, said:

No. English is the language of this forum, and the vast majority of us understand the subtleties and are amused by wordplay. If you do not understand the language as well as others, then you should refrain from making quick responses to posts that are not perfectly clear to you.




Not a very friendly attitude. You really want to exclude the rest of the world ? Dangerous !

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Reason for edit: edited to remove bunches of hearts.

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Posted 2011-August-06, 01:53

Lurpoa,

If you actually want to be a member of the community that's great. Usually people who want to be a member of a community want to be at least likable to some section of that community. I will take you at face value that you are not just trolling, and genuinely do not understand what you to be unlikable to many people in the community. Hopefully this constructive criticism will help you solve this issue.

1) Your first contribution to this thread was to call my post of "I love redheads" sexist.

Problem 1: Obviously you did not get the redheaded stepchild joke, that's fine. You do not seem to understand what the word sexist means, that is not as good sense you are using it to describe and criticize someone elses post. The difference is, not understanding english perfectly is one thing, you are not expected to understand all words or jokes. However, if you are criticizing or calling another forum member a word you do not understand, that is YOUR problem, and it is not right, and people will dislike you for it.

Problem 2: It simply derails the thread for no reason. People do not react well to that. Yes, my comment was not on point of the hand, but it was a joke relating to the thread title, that at least a few people seemed to enjoy (note the + vote application), so at least it added value. If you consistently add no value to threads and just hijack them, that is not a likable trait.

Overall, your post was simply a burden to the community, and lowered the quality of the thread. It came off as you simply attacking me because of our previous history. It is ok to not like me, it's not endearing if you attack me in threads for no reason with words you don't understand for posts that you don't understand. If you have a problem with posts, try to understand them, if you cannot understand them then PM a mod or the person in question. That is how to solve problems without being annoying.

2) Your response to me pointing out that my post was not sexist was to tell me to use different media to post things.

Problem: Again, you are adding nothing but a derailment to the thread. You seem to simply be attacking me. When your response to being proven wrong is to attack someone in a different manner, again contributing nothing to a thread, people will not like you. At this point, I decided not to reply to you, since it seemed to me that you simply wanted to start a bitchfest rather than actually make any kind of point or contribute anything to the thread.

3) Someone explained what I meant. Instead of taking any accountability, you gave an apology laced with excuses. You even suggested that the burden should be on ME that you do not understand english very well.

Problem 1: It is people 101 that when you are apologizing, you do not make excuses if you are actually sorry.

Problem 2: Of course it is fine to post on an english speaking forum if you are not fluent in english. I'm happy people do. However, the burden is on THOSE people if they do not understand some words. Those people should be careful in using them, and careful in attacking others unprovoked if they do not understand something, understanding that they do not know english very well and might be wrong. It is NOT the problem of somebody else to coddle those who don't speak enlgish perfectly, you voluntarily choose to post here and should understand that.

Problem 3: You once again play the victim card, acting like people are posting "viritol." So far in this thread, I made a joke and you told me A) That it was sexist, and B) When informed what the word sexist meant, you told me to post somewhere else. You are the only one who has attacked anyone, or had "viritol," and you were wrong. Nobody likes someone who acts like a victim, especially when all they contributed to a thread is to attack someone unprovoked, and were not even attacked in reply.

4) Since then, you have simply played the victim card and STILL contributed nothing to the thread. You are quite simply being annoying at this point, and this all started with your mistake!

To put it bluntly, nobody will like you if you behave this way. Nobody will feel sorry for you when you were the one at fault, and took no accountability and simply started whining/crying about it. People will respect you if you don't attack people baselessly, or if you do and are proven wrong, you understand it was your fault and simply say sorry and move on. I have no idea if your intention is to simply troll the forum now or what, but if you actually have any desire to be a part of the community rather than a hated troll then try to contribute to the forum and threads and not start these issues in every single thread.

You are accountable for:

-Your less than perfect english
-The response people give you when you hijack a thread
-The response people give you when you act like a victim after starting drama
-The response people give you when you attack them baselessly
-The response people give you for giving excuses and taking no accountability while ostensibly apologizing
-The response people give you for contributing nothing to a thread

I am sure you think everyone is ganging up on you and it is their fault and you have done nothing wrong, but that's silly. Everyone else seems to be able to mostly get along and be a part of the community without getting banned or being ostracisized and disliked by everyone, why not you? It is because of your behavior, not because of a conspiracy by everyone else, and if your behavior changes, so will peoples attitudes towards you.

I mean this completely constructively, after this if your behavior does not change I will simply ignore you.

Good luck!
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Posted 2011-August-06, 03:40

Justin: I think you are a hero for taking so much time to try to friendlily explain to Lurpoa how you feel.

Lurpoa, you could just google my reply and see if you find something.

Copy pasting that text and hitting "search" (or even "I feel lucky") takes less energy than pressing the -button all those times.
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Posted 2011-August-06, 03:51

It strikes me (disclaimer: I am not a native English speaker) that a non-apology does not have the form of an apology. "I am sorry that you feel insulted" literally just means that I would have preferred you not to feel insulted. "I apologize for the fact that you feel insulted" is different.
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Posted 2011-August-06, 04:29

Yes I don't think the term non-apology rigorously applies here, but it reminded me of this funny text and thought it might strike others as funny, too. There is a continuum of apologies out there starting from a non-apology ranging to an absolute, earnest, real apology, and Lurpoa's was somewhere in the grey zone. In my opinion, one basic part of an apology is the conviction that if I was placed in the same circumstances right now, I would not repeat the transgression that I did. Lurpoa's apology seems to forgo this step, especially in light of her reply to me (that seems to misunderstand the term "paraphrased", and others) and later posts that are based on an obviously absurd use of the word "abusive".
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Posted 2011-August-06, 05:21

View PostLurpoa, on 2011-August-06, 00:34, said:

View PostBbradley62, on 2011-August-05, 09:56, said:

View PostLurpoa, on 2011-August-05, 08:08, said:

OH !
We understand now.
Our apologies to Justin.
We did not understand his joke. I hope he understands - English is not our native language.
Maybe he could take that into account when making postings like he does.

No. English is the language of this forum, and the vast majority of us understand the subtleties and are amused by wordplay. If you do not understand the language as well as others, then you should refrain from making quick responses to posts that are not perfectly clear to you.
Not a very friendly attitude. You really want to exclude the rest of the world ? Dangerous !

Not excluding anyone; I am simply suggesting that when there is a post that you think doesn't make sense, you should wait to see if someone explains, or you should ask for an explanation, rather than making a snarky response. I don't always understand the postings about expert treatments, so I read those to learn and don't make silly responses there. Certainly, if someone is directing a response to a particular person, then it is appropriate to ensure that the response will be understood by the intended recipient, but "I love redheads" was directed to the general readership. What is dangerous is your suggestion that postings should be dumbed-down so that no one has to actually learn from them.
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Posted 2011-August-06, 09:50

Forgive me for going back to the thread issues.

Hand number two:

3D would, for me, be intermediate and NF in response to partner's negative double which showed the suit I am jump-raising. The South hand is much too strong.

Diamonds are trump now, and North's 4H looks like Kickback.
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