[TWO4BRIDGE]

-11.5 IMPs
makes 4H

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[mtvesuvius]

TWO4BRIDGE, on 2011-July-19, 20:45, said:

-11.5 IMPs
makes 4H

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I'd rather be in 7♥ than 3♣.

I think both members of this pair bid equally stupidly - They deserve each other.

50% North
50% South
100000% whoever taught both players to play bridge.

[semeai]

North has a 4♥ bid over 1♠. Failing that, he can't bid 3♣ if he suspects partner might possibly ever consider passing it, but should try something else (4♥?) over 2NT.

Does this pair play 3♣ pass or correct and 2NT show your minor? I can see North thinking that 3♣ can't be passed, since with a hand that would pass 3♣ but move over 3♦, partner could just bid 3♣ pass/correct. However, unless an agreement to this effect is on the books and this is an established partnership, giving partner the opportunity to go wrong here with such a huge hand for hearts seems very wrong.

Likely South should seek 3N/5♣ anyway opposite a partner who bid michaels at unfavorable. This nets South a bit of the blame.

[MrAce]

% 100 N for me

[the hog]

Bidding 4H over 1S is very poor. Do you seriously expect partner top move with the AKx of C and not much else? Get real.

I don't mind 2S that much, however Nth must bid more than 3C. What are Nth south's agreements here? Would 4C be forcing? Why not bid 4H over 2NT, or perhaps 3S over 2NT? I agree, I would also rather be in 7H than 3C. I would be disappointed if my pd and I did not reach 6H.
South's pass of 3C is also wimpy.

[Lurpoa]

MrAce, on 2011-July-19, 21:59, said:

% 100 N for me

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WHY ?

[hotShot]

There are not enough % available to assign blame.
Both 3♣ by North and pass on 3♣ by South are .... (searching for a political correct word) .... poor.

[andy_h]

What do you call AKQ109xx? Trumps.

[whereagles]

3♣ is a feeble bid. A 4♥ rebid is far more adequate. Not that you'd reach slam after that, but at least game you can't miss anymore

[Hanoi5]

North.

[billw55]

With such disparity in suits, I definitely think north should bid 2♥ over 1♠, and reserve the option to introduce clubs later. So blame mostly for north.

That said south, gets a small share for wimpiness.

[ArtK78]

billw55, on 2011-July-20, 07:00, said:

With such disparity in suits, I definitely think north should bid 2♥ over 1♠, and reserve the option to introduce clubs later. So blame mostly for north.

That said south, gets a small share for wimpiness.

Speaking of wimpiness, that is how I would describe a 2♥ bid over 1♠.

I would insist on game with the North hand. Double followed by 4♥ is reasonable. North has a likely 9 playing tricks in hearts.

One can construct hands where it is right to play in clubs and not hearts. But it is probably not worth looking for them.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

As it was.... 13 tricks can be had in Hts or even Diam .
Only ONE pair ( of 16 ) bid slam... and that was 6D :
( 1S ) - DBL - ( p ) - 3NT
( p ) - 4C! - ( p ) - 6D ... where 4C! was alerted ( not sure, but I think it was Gerber ).

The rest ( except for the fatefull 3C partial ) were in a Ht game, not slam ( cold for 13 tricks ) -- after a 1S or 2S opening by West.
Seven of the North's overcalled 4H.

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[aguahombre]

At these colors, with a N/S pair who have some standards about their 4H overcalls, slam might be reached after 4H. It is not hard for South to picture spade shortness and a solid heart suit.

[jmcw]

Agree with MrAce.

North has ♥ and more ♥. Bid 4♥

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

North has a solid 7 card suit? A mediocrite 5 card suit? And sells his hand as?

Sry is this a trick question?

If it comes to South - He has 15HCP, his p makes red vs. green two level overcall,
and he just asks for prference? He should ask North, what is the dead min for a
2NT call in this position, ... most would simply raise 2NT to 3NT, sometimes it
makes.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[olegru]

North‘s bidding definitely deserve additional call … to friendly psychiatrist.

[Lurpoa]

Hanoi5, on 2011-July-20, 06:15, said:

North.

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Why ?

[billw55]

ArtK78, on 2011-July-20, 07:11, said:

Speaking of wimpiness, that is how I would describe a 2♥ bid over 1♠.

I would insist on game with the North hand. Double followed by 4♥ is reasonable. North has a likely 9 playing tricks in hearts.

One can construct hands where it is right to play in clubs and not hearts. But it is probably not worth looking for them.

Yes, dbl followed by hearts is also an option. Some would expect more high card strength for such a bid; others wouldn't. The main thing I was trying to say was that north should start by introducing hearts alone, not with a two-suited call.

[MrAce]

Lurpoa, on 2011-July-19, 23:50, said:

WHY ?

There is not much cure for a blind eye but letme try..
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mtvesuvius, on 2011-July-19, 20:49, said:

I'd rather be in 7♥ than 3♣.

andy_h, on 2011-July-20, 00:52, said:

What do you call AKQ109xx? Trumps.

whereagles, on 2011-July-20, 04:54, said:

3♣ is a feeble bid. A 4♥ rebid is far more adequate. Not that you'd reach slam after that, but at least game you can't miss anymore

olegru, on 2011-July-20, 09:08, said:

North‘s bidding definitely deserve additional call … to friendly psychiatrist.

billw55, on 2011-July-20, 07:00, said:

With such disparity in suits, I definitely think north should bid 2♥ over 1♠, and reserve the option to introduce clubs later.

Also;

- Eventhough it looks like one, 7M + 5 minor should not be treated as 2 suiter. Who on earth wants his pd to prefer a Q high 5 card suit when pd is void in ♥ ? U wanna play to a 5-2 or 5-3 fit when pd is void or stiff in ♥ suit ?

-Most of the famous bridge conventions are invented to find a major fit, yet here North, holding it in his own hand, acts as if he needs a preference from pd to decide which suit to set as trumps !

-North's hand plays 4♥ vs pd's ♣J and nothing else.

-Yes south was wimpy with this hand, but who cares ? After all they would be playing the same contract (if opps let them) when South holding JT9xx x QJxxx Jx and 4♥ still great contract and noone would even mention south's role in this disaster.