[Lurpoa]

Yes, it is Competitive Bidding.

You have as South:

♠ K52
♥ 2
♦ K754
♣ J8743

IMP scoring, you are Vul vs nonVul.

Your RHO opens with a pass, you pass, LHO opens 1♥ - they play SAYC.

Partner overcalls 2♣ - we too play SAYC, so 2♣ is typically 12-16H, 5card.

Now your RHO raises to 2♥.

Your call now.

Spoiler

At first I was inclined to bid 5clubs. At a reversed vulnerability I surely would have done. Besides I am not sure they will make 4Hearts. So I decided to bid a conservative 3Clubs, hoping that they would not bid 4Hearts, on which I will have a difficult decision.

If I say, that this is Butler scoring, that the average level of the pairs is rather low and that the actual opponents are one of the better participating pairs, does that influence your decision ?

[pooltuna]

If partner knows that a 2♣ call at these colors is different than all other colors then I am justified in a 5♣ call otherwise a 3♥ call is sufficient.

[Hanoi5]

I like 5♣ but at these colours I don't think it's worth it. I'll go with 3♥ to let partner be part of the decision.

[whereagles]

4♣. Not ideal, but I don't have a mixed raise available and I'm afraid pard gets serious if I bid 3♥.

[aguahombre]

5C opposite my partner. The spoiler information was not useful.

[pooltuna]

aguahombre, on 2011-July-13, 09:42, said:

5C opposite my partner. The spoiler information was not useful.

Yeah it was pretty useless but I just read it. I try never to read it before answereing so I can be as objective as possible.

[han]

♥ Lurpoa ♥

[Vampyr]

Hanoi5, on 2011-July-13, 07:35, said:

I like 5♣ but at these colours I don't think it's worth it.

I think these colours make 5♣ an easier decision.

[nige1]

Lurpoa, on 2011-July-13, 06:50, said:

Yes, it is Competitive Bidding. IMP scoring, you are Vul vs nonVul.
You have as South: ♠ K52 ♥ 2 ♦ K754 ♣ J8743
Your RHO opens with a pass, you pass, LHO opens 1♥ - they play SAYC.
Partner overcalls 2♣ - we too play SAYC, so 2♣ is typically 12-16H, 5card.
Now your RHO raises to 2♥.

IMO 3♥♥♥ = 10, 5♣ = 9, 4♣ = 8, 3♣ = 7.
There may be no game for anybody. Or 3N may be a better contract than 5♣ opposite say
♠ AJ ♥ QJx ♦ xx ♣ AKxxxx.

[OleBerg]

3♥, and pulling 3NT to 4♣.

Good thing I'm a passed hand, or else this wouldn't have been a viable route.

Were I unpassed, this dilemma might sway me to double.

If parners overcalls can be as crappy as mine, I make a note to discuss using 2NT as a sound raise.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

At green vs. red, I would bid 4H.

Since we are red and they are Green, ..., I just raise to 3C, over 3H
I will pass, similar if they bid 4H.

If I have an agreement, I would like to make a mixed raise, showing
constructive values.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[rhm]

4♣

At these colors 4♣ can not be bid on nothing and is in my opinion a good description of the hand.
5♣ is too much and could be expensive and 3♣ is for children.
3♥ should show more and a more suitable hand for 3NT.
If you intent to take 3NT out, then you might as well bid 4♣ straight away.
Leave the final decision to partner. Partner may have duplication in ♥ and may even be able to double a 4♥ indiscretion.

Rainer Herrmann

[gszes]

we are wayyyyy too weak for a 3h bid which should
show almost an ace more than we have. If opps bid
4h and p x after our 3h bid we have a really tough
time passing that x because of our overbidding.

at these colors 3c should be sufficient if p cannot
move over 3c it is unlikely we have a game. 3c
warns p that they might have less club defense than
they think and is right on with overall power so we
can respect any penalty x p might make if opps
continue. We also have a tad in reserve so if it goes
3h p p we can bid 4c w/o too much concern.

anyone that bids 3c with a hand like Kxx xxx Kxx Jxxx
at these colors needs a new playbook. Your current hand
is close to minimum you need for a 3c bid v/nv.

Having said the above i have a certain respect for a
direct leap to 5c hoping to give opps last guess. It
is a rather large gamble at these colors though so
my weak heart tends to avoid such extreme bids.

I would bid 4c on about a k less than I have so it is
also pretty far off on values.

IMO 3c = 10 5c=7 4c=4 3h=2 pass=1* *better than say 7n

[gnasher]

I'm not sure what a playbook is, but apparently I need a new one.

[G_R__E_G]

gnasher, on 2011-July-20, 11:13, said:

I'm not sure what a playbook is, but apparently I need a new one.

They are made by a wonderful Canadian company by the name of Research in Motion and can be purchased at an electronics store near you.

[pooltuna]

gnasher, on 2011-July-20, 11:13, said:

I'm not sure what a playbook is, but apparently I need a new one.

I think the bridge equivalent would be a convention card. But if I equated K52 2 K754 J8743 with Kxx xxx Kxx Jxxx I would need a reserved seat at the Bedlam Bridge Club.

[OleBerg]

rhm, on 2011-July-20, 06:31, said:

...If you intent to take 3NT out, then you might as well bid 4♣ straight away...

Rainer Herrmann

Que?

[MrAce]

4 or 5♣ for me. I wld probably go with 5 though.

[the hog]

whereagles, on 2011-July-13, 07:49, said:

4♣. Not ideal, but I don't have a mixed raise available and I'm afraid pard gets serious if I bid 3♥.

I agree with Nuno. I don't really understand the 3H bidders. This would be a big overbid for me. 4C on the other hand will be a decent hand at this vulnerability.

[the hog]

han, on 2011-July-13, 10:01, said:

♥ Lurpoa ♥

That was an incredibly intelligent and useful post.