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1C or 1D?

Poll: 1C or 1D? (29 member(s) have cast votes)

Playing Precision, would you open the hand below with 1C or 1D?

  1. 1C (5 votes [17.24%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.24%

  2. 1D (24 votes [82.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 82.76%

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Posted 2011-July-20, 15:23

For me, 1♦ is clearcut for the reasons previously cited. Make the ♠Q the ♣Q and it's a closer decision, but I'd still try 1♦--when in doubt, show your suit. As it has been said before, the 1♣ opener is in itself a losing bid--has a negative expectation. The virtue of club systems is the limited opening bids--big winners.
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Posted 2011-July-20, 16:58

 Hilver, on 2011-July-18, 06:30, said:

In first seat, playing Precision you hold: ♠ A Q ♥ 10 ♦ A Q 10 9 7 5 ♣ K 9 8 7.
IMO 1♣ = 10, 1♦ = 8. Rule of at least 25 and fewer than 5 losers.
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Posted 2011-July-20, 18:57

To come back to this:

I don't really play precision, and as a mostly natural bidder am quite sympathetic to the arguments that showing a suit first is good so we should do so on this hand. But if it's really that good, why don't we make 1♣ 17+ and have very slightly less limited openings in our big club system?
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Posted 2011-July-22, 14:17

 nige1, on 2011-July-20, 16:58, said:

IMO 1♣ = 10, 1♦ = 8. Rule of at least 25 and fewer than 5 losers.

And I say reverse that. This hand is ideal for the Precision jump bid - I will open that 1♦ and rebid that 3♦ all day long!
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Posted 2011-July-22, 16:40

 chasetb, on 2011-July-22, 14:17, said:

And I say reverse that. This hand is ideal for the Precision jump bid - I will open that 1♦ and rebid that 3♦ all day long!
Playing Precision, had I opened 1♦, I would rebid ♣.
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Posted 2011-July-22, 23:07

 mtvesuvius, on 2011-July-18, 20:17, said:

LOL



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WHY ?
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Posted 2011-July-22, 23:09

 the hog, on 2011-July-18, 20:57, said:

redouble lol



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WHY ?
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Posted 2011-July-23, 00:02

 Lurpoa, on 2011-July-22, 23:09, said:

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WHY ?


I have explained why. Why do you ask again?
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Posted 2011-July-23, 03:53

 the hog, on 2011-July-23, 00:02, said:

I have explained why. Why do you ask again?




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So, why do you LOL ?


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Posted 2011-July-24, 02:53

 Lurpoa, on 2011-July-22, 23:07, said:

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WHY ?



 Lurpoa, on 2011-July-22, 23:09, said:

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WHY ?


 Lurpoa, on 2011-July-23, 03:53, said:

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So, why do you LOL ?


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 Free, on 2011-July-19, 05:43, said:

Please guys, stop LOL-ing and redouble LOL-ing, before Lurpoa and her gang start hijacking this threat. This is a good question.

Told you... Perfect thread ruined by this this silly ♥ loving font abusing why-asker...
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Posted 2011-July-25, 13:22

 dake50, on 2011-July-18, 19:11, said:

This is just the hand type I use 3D for: good 6+D, weak Majors, 14-18.

 mtvesuvius, on 2011-July-18, 20:17, said:

LOL

 the hog, on 2011-July-18, 20:57, said:

redouble lol

 Free, on 2011-July-19, 05:43, said:

Please guys, stop LOL-ing and redouble LOL-ing, before Lurpoa and her gang start hijacking this threat. This is a good question.

 Lurpoa, on 2011-July-22, 23:07, said:

♥.... WHY ?

 Lurpoa, on 2011-July-23, 03:53, said:

♥...So, why do you LOL ?

 Free, on 2011-July-24, 02:53, said:

Told you... Perfect thread ruined by this this silly ♥ loving font abusing why-asker...
mtvesuvuius :) and hog :) :) found dake50's 3♦♦♦ suggestion hilarious and
Free :angry: anticipated your puzzlement, Lurpoa :wub:
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Posted 2011-July-25, 14:21

There used to be a game in "Whose line is it anyway?" where all sentences had to end as a question. Wouldn't it be fun to reply to a question with an associated question?
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Posted 2011-July-25, 14:28

 shyams, on 2011-July-25, 14:21, said:

There used to be a game in "Whose line is it anyway?" where all sentences had to end as a question. Wouldn't it be fun to reply to a question with an associated question?

Would that not hijack the thread?

Back to the OP, I think this hand is an obvious 1D opener playing bog standard precision and an obvious 1C opening in Meckwell precision.
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Posted 2011-July-25, 14:57

 Zelandakh, on 2011-July-25, 14:28, said:

Would that not hijack the thread?

Back to the OP, I think this hand is an obvious 1D opener playing bog standard precision and an obvious 1C opening in Meckwell precision.


What's the distinction you're making? Do you mean in Meckwell precision you open lighter, so 1♣ should also be lighter?

Bonus points for the double-obvious!
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Posted 2011-July-26, 01:39

 nige1, on 2011-July-25, 13:22, said:

mtvesuvuius :) and hog :) :) found dake50's 3♦♦♦ suggestion hilarious and
Free :angry: anticipated your puzzlement, Lurpoa :wub:

LOL

note: I wasn't :angry: , I was just testing my fortune telling skills :o
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Posted 2011-July-26, 03:29

 semeai, on 2011-July-25, 14:57, said:

What's the distinction you're making? Do you mean in Meckwell precision you open lighter, so 1♣ should also be lighter?


In essence yes. Meckwell precision has alot more upgrading than traditional precision so it is normal to open alot of good 15 counts with 1C. Traditional precision was much more steadfast about 1C being a 'power' opening with very few 15 counts being upgraded.
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Posted 2011-July-26, 07:28

 Zelandakh, on 2011-July-26, 03:29, said:

In essence yes. Meckwell precision has alot more upgrading than traditional precision so it is normal to open alot of good 15 counts with 1C. Traditional precision was much more steadfast about 1C being a 'power' opening with very few 15 counts being upgraded.
Meckwell may or may not have chosen correctly; but where and when to draw the line is the main issue under discussion.
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Posted 2011-July-26, 13:49

 Zelandakh, on 2011-July-26, 03:29, said:

In essence yes. Meckwell precision has alot more upgrading than traditional precision so it is normal to open alot of good 15 counts with 1C. Traditional precision was much more steadfast about 1C being a 'power' opening with very few 15 counts being upgraded.

Meckwell primairily upgrade their non-opening hands to an opening bid, they don't change their 1♣ behaviour.
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