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AQ75, K64, KQJ, K52 NV vs. V, IMP
What do you open here? If it's not 1♣, why?
open?
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Posted 2011-July-17, 00:30
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Posted 2011-July-17, 01:50
I bid 1N=15-17
4333 18Hcp,No 10,9 etc; DKQJ might waste Hcp; not a good hand,sh be reduced value.
4333 18Hcp,No 10,9 etc; DKQJ might waste Hcp; not a good hand,sh be reduced value.
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Posted 2011-July-17, 02:01
1C. No reason not to do this.
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Posted 2011-July-17, 04:04
1NT if playing 16-18 NT (say Goren )
1♠ if playing 4 card majors with upper Nt range not higher than 17hcp (say acol )
1♥=18-20 hcp any distribution if playing K D Joshi
1♣in all other systems known to me (sayc, 2/1, various versions of precision/strong club )
1♠ if playing 4 card majors with upper Nt range not higher than 17hcp (say acol )
1♥=18-20 hcp any distribution if playing K D Joshi
1♣in all other systems known to me (sayc, 2/1, various versions of precision/strong club )
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Posted 2011-July-17, 04:08
A key point here is that if the hand is passed out, I would rather be playing in 1NT rather than 1♣. So 1NT for me, if I was playing 15-17.
Enough reason, Hog?
Enough reason, Hog?
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Posted 2011-July-17, 04:19
zasanya, on 2011-July-17, 04:04, said:
1NT if playing 16-18 NT (say Goren )
1♠ if playing 4 card majors with upper Nt range not higher than 17hcp (say acol )
1♥=18-20 hcp any distribution if playing K D Joshi
1♣in all other systems known to me (sayc, 2/1, various versions of precision/strong club )
1♠ if playing 4 card majors with upper Nt range not higher than 17hcp (say acol )
1♥=18-20 hcp any distribution if playing K D Joshi
1♣in all other systems known to me (sayc, 2/1, various versions of precision/strong club )
Yes, K D Joshi is a wonderful system as there is never any argument over the perfect opening bid. Who cares what the eventual contract may be ?
1♣ is OK in strong club systems as it will be forcing. The trouble with a normal 1♣ is that it may be (and is quite likely to be) passed. While distorting your strength is wrong if it is likely to lead to the wrong level of contract, here the 18 count is a bad 18 as Meng said, and it won't.
I have a preference to treat it as 17 and bid a contract I don't mind playing.
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Posted 2011-July-17, 04:25
fromageGB, on 2011-July-17, 04:08, said:
A key point here is that if the hand is passed out, I would rather be playing in 1NT rather than 1♣. So 1NT for me, if I was playing 15-17.
Enough reason, Hog?
Enough reason, Hog?
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Definitely not. You open this 1NT and partner will pass all flat 7 counts and many bad 8s.
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Posted 2011-July-17, 04:32
the hog, on 2011-July-17, 04:25, said:
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Definitely not. You open this 1NT and partner will pass all flat 7 counts and many bad 8s.
Definitely not. You open this 1NT and partner will pass all flat 7 counts and many bad 8s.
OK, conceded.
I missed that it was IMPs, where the game swing is vital compared with the small swings when in the wrong part score.
In MPs I think the odds go with 1NT, as you will be more times playing in 1♣/1NT than you will be in game.
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Posted 2011-July-17, 05:26
aside from missing game on this hand opposite a flat 8, your basic premise that 1♣ will often be (or even, is likely to be) passed is just off-the-graph
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Posted 2011-July-17, 09:33
the hog, on 2011-July-17, 04:25, said:
roflamo
Definitely not. You open this 1NT and partner will pass all flat 7 counts and many bad 8s.
Definitely not. You open this 1NT and partner will pass all flat 7 counts and many bad 8s.
but game is probably terrible opposite a flat 7 count and many bad 8s, so what is your point?
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Posted 2011-July-17, 09:48
horrible honor structure, bad shape, no intermediates (not even an 8). I will open 1NT and then a more interesting question is if I should accept and invite. I suppose I will.
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Posted 2011-July-17, 09:58
I just got through reading Bergen's little pamphlet on hand evaluation. I think his assessment of this hand would agree with mine: it's not worth 18 points. I'd downgrade it and open 1NT playing a 15-17 range. If my range includes even just some 18 pointers, this certainly qualifies. I see no good reason to open anything else.
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Posted 2011-July-17, 10:15
I count 18 beans, so I open 1♣. I hate upgrading or downgrading these hands, and have not gotten hardly any good results from it, while getting quite a lot of bad ones.
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Posted 2011-July-17, 11:07
1♣
Flat hand, but one Q and one J, rest of HCP in prime cards. This is not a quacky 18
Flat hand, but one Q and one J, rest of HCP in prime cards. This is not a quacky 18
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Posted 2011-July-17, 11:27
Thanks all, this was a sanity check after playing the hand with a potential new partner.
I happily opened 1♣ and played there opposite J9643, JT92, 98, T6.
I don't hate 1N, the funny thing is partner said I should open 1♠.
I happily opened 1♣ and played there opposite J9643, JT92, 98, T6.
I don't hate 1N, the funny thing is partner said I should open 1♠.
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Posted 2011-July-17, 11:44
I would open 1NT, because I downgrade for 4333 hand pattern. Nuff said, but here is a little bit of data grabbed from online bridge (tables where JEC played) where 1NT was opened with 18 hcp. Note the one common thread in all these hands. The opener had 4333 pattern.
NOTE: I searched the data by opening bid, so the person who opened is at the bottom of the diagram (not necessary south). So the true south could be sitting in any position.
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NOTE: I searched the data by opening bid, so the person who opened is at the bottom of the diagram (not necessary south). So the true south could be sitting in any position.
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IMP-451 smispi Dlr: East
Board 14 S 92 Vul: None
H 9862
doubler D T74 alchilds
S A87 C JT65 S 6543
H Q73 H T54
D Q985 jec D KJ3
C Q98 S KQJT C AK4
H AKJ
D A62
C 732
West North East South
doubler smispi alchilds jec
Pass 1NT
Pass Pass Pass
Opening lead: D5 Result: Down 1
Score: -50 Points: -4.00
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IMP-1246 matushko Dlr: West
Board 28 S 9732 Vul: N-S
H Q983
fulvio2002 D AJ9 jec
S AJT5 C 98 S 64
H 64 H JT2
D KQT2 leroumain D 853
C K53 S KQ8 C JT642
H AK75
D 764
C AQ7
North East South West
fulvio2002 matushko jec leroumain
1NT
Pass Pass Pass
Opening lead: DK Result: Made 2
Score: 120 Points: -1.00
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IMP-743 jec Dlr: West
Board 4 S AJ85 Vul: Both
H 742
bridgeboy D 986 krobono
S 96 C T93 S T743
H AQJT H K93
D KJ73 smispi D Q2
C 652 S KQ2 C J874
H 865
D AT54
C AKQ
East South West North
bridgeboy jec krobono smispi
Pass 1NT
Pass Pass Pass
Opening lead: S9 Result: Made 2
Score: 120 Points: 0.00
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IMP-1914 Princi Dlr: South
Board 3 S K976 Vul: E-W
H Q2
jec D J743 smispi
S Q83 C JT8 S A52
H J83 H 9765
D T5 fulldiRe D K98
C KQ652 S JT4 C 974
H AKT4
D AQ62
C A3
South West North East
jec Princi smispi fulldiRe
Pass Pass Pass 1NT
Pass Pass Pass
Opening lead: C5 Result: Made 3
Score: 150 Points: -11.00
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IMP-1639 weedo Dlr: South
Board 19 S Q2 Vul: E-W
H Q32
YR D 97652 mons16
S AJ9 C J65 S KT865
H J764 H T9
D Q8 jec D KJ3
C QT42 S 743 C 983
H AK85
D AT4
C AK7
West North East South
YR weedo mons16 jec
1NT
Pass Pass Pass
Opening lead: H4 Result: Made 3
Score: 150 Points: 2.00
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IMP-1005 gzwudong Dlr: East
Board 26 S 873 Vul: Both
H T86
jec D T65 miamiwiz
S A92 C KJ83 S T54
H Q7532 H KJ4
D KQ2 TranWay D J84
C T2 S KQJ6 C Q654
H A9
D A973
C A97
South West North East
jec gzwudong miamiwiz TranWay
1NT!
Pass Pass Pass
1. SelfAlert
Opening lead: H3 Result: Made 1
Score: 90 Points: -2.00
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IMP-1277 fulvio2002 Dlr: West
Board 4 S J854 Vul: Both
H J4
tax456 D 96 leroumain
S KT32 C T7653 S Q9
H A92 H T653
D K872 jec D JT53
C J2 S A76 C AQ4
H KQ87
D AQ4
C K98
West North East South
tax456 fulvio2002 leroumain jec
Pass Pass Pass 1NT
Pass Pass Pass
Opening lead: S2 Result: Down 1
Score: -100 Points: -5.00
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IMP-1283 jermy1ms Dlr: South
Board 23 S T75 Vul: Both
H T4
miamiwiz D QT74 jec
S J932 C AQT7 S 86
H Q53 H A9876
D 863 smothplay D A92
C K86 S AKQ4 C 952
H KJ2
D KJ5
C J43
North East South West
miamiwiz jermy1ms jec smothplay
Pass 1NT
Pass Pass Pass
Opening lead: S2 Result: Made 4
Score: 180 Points: -1.00
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IMP-1269 LLORENZO Dlr: East
Board 14 S 962 Vul: None
H 72
xdshi D KQ97 jiang_gu
S AQT8 C J862 S 753
H KJ65 H AT93
D T2 jec D 653
C 973 S KJ4 C QT4
H Q84
D AJ84
C AK5
West North East South
xdshi LLORENZO jiang_gu jec
Pass 1NT
Pass Pass Pass
Opening lead: H5 Result: Down 1
Score: -50 Points: 2.00
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IMP-1483 smispi Dlr: East
Board 10 S T862 Vul: Both
H 985
leroumain D T543 stewball
S QJ5 C 95 S K73
H AKT4 H QJ7
D 6 jec D J972
C AJ763 S A94 C 842
H 632
D AKQ8
C KQT
West North East South
leroumain smispi stewball jec
Pass 1NT
Pass 2C Pass 2D
Pass Pass Pass
Opening lead: D6 Result: Down 1
Score: -100 Points: 1.00
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IMP-1540 jec Dlr: South
Board 15 S A65 Vul: N-S
H AK4
azzam1 D Q986 thejuwel
S 843 C KQ2 S KQJ
H Q32 H JT9
D KT42 miamiwiz D AJ53
C A74 S T972 C 963
H 8765
D 7
C JT85
East South West North
azzam1 jec thejuwel miamiwiz
1NT Pass 2C
Pass 2D Pass 2H*
Pass Pass Pass
1. pass or correct
Opening lead: H2 Result: Made 2
Score: 110 Points: 5.00
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IMP-95 smispi Dlr: North
Board 13 S JT97 Vul: Both
H Q6542
tez D 932 rafa
S AQ8 C Q S 653
H K H J93
D QJT jec D K864
C T87632 S K42 C J94
H AT87
D A75
C AK5
West North East South
tez smispi rafa jec
Pass Pass 1NT
Pass 2C Pass 2H
Pass Pass Pass
Opening lead: DQ Result: Made 5
Score: 200 Points: 7.00
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IMP-101 enverd Dlr: East
Board 14 S 732 Vul: None
H KJT32
jec D 84 smispi
S JT864 C 762 S K9
H 65 H A974
D AQJ2 ergunk D T7
C T4 S AQ5 C QJ983
H Q8
D K9653
C AK5
South West North East
jec enverd smispi ergunk
1NT
Pass 2D Pass 2H
Pass Pass Pass
Opening lead: SJ Result: Down 1
Score: -50 Points: 3.00
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IMP-144 berynger Dlr: West
Board 12 S K762 Vul: N-S
H T92
smispi D 653 jec
S QJ94 C 986 S T83
H AK753 H J64
D 984 TranWay D QT72
C 5 S A5 C AQ7
H Q8
D AKJ
C KJT432
North East South West
smispi berynger jec TranWay
1NT
2C! Pass 2D! 3C
Pass Pass Pass
1. majors
2. u choose
Opening lead: HA Result: Down 1
Score: -50 Points: 0.00
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IMP-280 bjde Dlr: South
Board 19 S KQ97 Vul: E-W
H QJ2
jec D J95 miamiwiz
S AT32 C T92 S J865
H A64 H T9873
D Q62 vittipikki D A8
C AKJ S 4 C 76
H K5
D KT743
C Q8543
West North East South
jec bjde miamiwiz vittipikki
Pass
1NT Pass 2C Pass
2S Pass Pass 2NT
Dbl Pass Pass 3C
Dbl Pass Pass Pass
Opening lead: CA Result: Down 3
Score: -500 Points: -12.00
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IMP-251 jec Dlr: South
Board 11 S A42 Vul: None
H AQ7
Dinos1 D AT3 weedo
S KT96 C KJ73 S J875
H 85 H KT2
D KJ9875 ollina D Q4
C T S Q3 C A642
H J9643
D 62
C Q985
West North East South
Dinos1 jec weedo ollina
Pass
Pass 1NT Pass 2D
Dbl Rdbl Pass 2H
Pass 3H Pass Pass
Pass
Opening lead: CT Result: Made 3
Score: 140 Points: 5.00
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IMP-268 jec Dlr: West
Board 12 S 62 Vul: N-S
H T8763
nevaio D JT9 oldsem
S QT5 C 973 S A9874
H AJ4 H 52
D A764 miamiwiz D Q8
C K86 S KJ3 C JT42
H KQ9
D K532
C AQ5
East South West North
nevaio jec oldsem miamiwiz
Pass 1NT
Pass 2D* Pass 2NT
Pass 3D! Pass 3H
Pass Pass Pass
1. xfer
2. SelfAlert
Opening lead: C6 Result: Down 1
Score: -100 Points: 3.00
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IMP-525 fmchen Dlr: West
Board 24 S A65432 Vul: None
H 65
jec D 984 smispi
S J7 C 43 S 9
H QJ72 H K83
D KQ53 caishan D JT6
C T85 S KQT8 C KQ9762
H AT94
D A72
C AJ
South West North East
jec fmchen smispi caishan
Pass Pass 1NT
Pass 2H Pass 2S
Pass Pass 3C 3S
Pass Pass Pass
Opening lead: C5 Result: Made 3
Score: 140 Points: 5.00
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IMP-703 ollina Dlr: West
Board 12 S A987 Vul: N-S
H T9
caracci D J83 loloc
S J6 C KQ97 S KT42
H Q865 H J732
D 742 jec D T96
C A864 S Q53 C J3
H AK4
D AKQ5
C T52
East South West North
caracci ollina loloc jec
Pass 1NT
Pass 2C Pass 2D
Pass 3NT Pass Pass
Pass
Opening lead: D7 Result: Made 3
Score: 600 Points: -1.00
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IMP-455 miamiwiz Dlr: East
Board 22 S A75 Vul: E-W
H 86
smispi D KT54 nevaio
S 43 C A986 S JT986
H KT75 H 943
D J98 jec D Q62
C KT43 S KQ2 C J5
H AQJ2
D A73
C Q72
West North East South
smispi miamiwiz nevaio jec
Pass 1NT
Pass 3NT Pass Pass
Pass
Opening lead: H5 Result: Made 5
Score: 460 Points: 1.00
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IMP-153 jec Dlr: West
Board 4 S K75 Vul: Both
H KQJ
ronsmithsf D T8754 wstuart
S JT42 C 52 S 96
H A3 H T8765
D 32 weedo D Q96
C AQT76 S AQ83 C 983
H 942
D AKJ
C KJ4
East South West North
ronsmithsf jec wstuart weedo
Pass 1NT
Pass 3NT Pass Pass
Pass
Opening lead: C7 Result: Made 5
Score: 660 Points: 2.00
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IMP-1349 miamiwiz Dlr: South
Board 23 S 76 Vul: Both
H J43
bielsli D AJ3 pikolo
S KQJT3 C QT974 S 952
H T97 H KQ52
D 972 jec D QT54
C J5 S A84 C 62
H A86
D K86
C AK83
West North East South
bielsli miamiwiz pikolo jec
1NT
Pass 2NT Pass 3NT
Pass Pass Pass
Opening lead: SK Result: Made 3
Score: 600 Points: -1.00
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IMP-445 nevaio Dlr: West
Board 20 S T4 Vul: Both
H A932
sillafu D Q532 snabu
S J9862 C QT8 S AK7
H KJ764 H T
D 4 jec D JT987
C 63 S Q53 C J974
H Q85
D AK6
C AK52
West North East South
sillafu nevaio snabu jec
Pass Pass Pass 1NT
Pass 2C Pass 2D
Pass 2NT Pass 3NT
Pass Pass Pass
Opening lead: S9 Result: Down 1
Score: -100 Points: -12.00
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IMP-1611 00hido Dlr: South
Board 11 S J3 Vul: None
H 3
miamiwiz D T54 jec
S T5 C AJT7432 S AQ982
H QT852 H J96
D AQ632 atalok D J87
C 5 S K764 C 86
H AK74
D K9
C KQ9
North East South West
miamiwiz 00hido jec atalok
Pass 1NT
Pass 3NT Pass Pass
Pass
Opening lead: H5 Result: Made 3
Score: 400 Points: 0.00
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IMP-117 miamiwiz Dlr: South
Board 15 S A963 Vul: N-S
H T53
shurik D 832 rhsamuel
S C KJ4 S QJ8752
H KQJ862 H 9
D T954 jec D J6
C 963 S KT4 C AT87
H A74
D AKQ7
C Q52
West North East South
shurik miamiwiz rhsamuel jec
1NT
3H 3NT Pass Pass
Pass
Opening lead: HK Result: Down 1
Score: -100 Points: -12.00
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IMP-491 weedo Dlr: West
Board 24 S K97 Vul: None
H A2
nevaio D JT762 jec
S J54 C 954 S T862
H 96 H JT854
D K954 ptrent D A3
C KQ87 S AQ3 C T6
H KQ73
D Q8
C AJ32
North East South West
nevaio weedo jec ptrent
1NT
Pass 3NT Pass Pass
Pass
Opening lead: D4 Result: Made 4
Score: 430 Points: 0.00
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IMP-711 smispi Dlr: East
Board 6 S K9 Vul: E-W
H K98
jtmckee D 876 scoolik
S T83 C K9765 S J6542
H AQT74 H 63
D J2 jec D QT93
C JT3 S AQ7 C Q2
H J52
D AK54
C A84
West North East South
jtmckee smispi scoolik jec
Pass 1NT
Pass 3NT Pass Pass
Pass
Opening lead: H7 Result: Made 6
Score: 490 Points: 1.00
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IMP-636 TranWay Dlr: East
Board 18 S 8 Vul: N-S
H AJ
jec D 98754 ollina
S Q6 C QJT98 S JT943
H Q932 H KT875
D KQJ6 KongWay D 32
C 743 S AK752 C 5
H 64
D AT
C AK62
South West North East
jec TranWay ollina KongWay
1NT
Pass 3NT Pass Pass
Pass
Opening lead: DK Result: Made 3
Score: 400 Points: -11.00
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IMP-329 falcao Dlr: West
Board 24 S 842 Vul: None
H KQT8
jec D K2 fulvio2002
S KT6 C J743 S J75
H 432 H 765
D JT75 leroumain D A8643
C 952 S AQ93 C AT
H AJ9
D Q9
C KQ86
South West North East
jec falcao fulvio2002 leroumain
Pass Pass 1NT
Pass 2C Pass 2S
Pass 3NT Pass Pass
Pass
Opening lead: DJ Result: Down 1
Score: -50 Points: 0.00
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IMP-1322 jec Dlr: North
Board 13 S Q875 Vul: Both
H 97
reisig D KQT53 sillafu
S KJT3 C T7 S 64
H Q4 H AT863
D J64 miamiwiz D 98
C A843 S A92 C 9652
H KJ52
D A72
C KQJ
East South West North
reisig jec sillafu miamiwiz
1NT
Pass 2C Pass 2H
Pass 2NT Pass 3NT
Pass Pass Pass
Opening lead: C3 Result: Down 1
Score: -100 Points: -12.00
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IMP-1380 exorcizer Dlr: West
Board 8 S Q64 Vul: None
H K9863
jec D A943 nevaio
S 95 C 7 S 8732
H A42 H J75
D T62 leroumain D J8
C AKT83 S AKJT C 6542
H QT
D KQ75
C QJ9
South West North East
jec exorcizer nevaio leroumain
Pass Pass 1NT
Pass 2D Pass 2H
Pass 3D Pass 3NT
Pass Pass Pass
Opening lead: C8 Result: Made 3
Score: 400 Points: 0.00
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IMP-1196 hristoiv Dlr: East
Board 18 S T642 Vul: N-S
H A54
jec D KT3 smispi
S Q987 C Q54 S J5
H T832 H 76
D Q42 leroumain D A965
C J6 S AK3 C KT982
H KQJ9
D J87
C A73
South West North East
jec hristoiv smispi leroumain
1NT
Pass 3NT Pass Pass
Pass
Opening lead: S7 Result: Made 3
Score: 400 Points: -1.00
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IMP-317 Jackth Dlr: South
Board 23 S Q85 Vul: Both
H A98
miamiwiz D QJ765 jec
S KJ9 C A5 S T42
H J742 H T3
D T4 stewball D 932
C T764 S A763 C KJ982
H KQ65
D AK8
C Q3
North East South West
miamiwiz Jackth jec stewball
Pass 1NT
Pass 3NT Pass Pass
Pass
Opening lead: H2 Result: Made 5
Score: 660 Points: 13.00
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IMP-968 jec Dlr: North
Board 1 S KQ52 Vul: None
H QJ4
ghelgemo D JT7 helstokk
S 964 C JT5 S T87
H T862 H K93
D 96 miamiwiz D Q543
C A987 S AJ3 C K43
H A75
D AK82
C Q62
East South West North
ghelgemo jec helstokk miamiwiz
1NT
Pass 3NT Pass Pass
Pass
Opening lead: H6 Result: Made 4
Score: 430 Points: 0.00
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IMP-277 sillafu Dlr: North
Board 9 S 95 Vul: E-W
H AQ84
jec D A8 miamiwiz
S J873 C T8732 S AQ42
H J3 H 9652
D T9643 reisig D J2
C 54 S KT6 C K96
H KT7
D KQ75
C AQJ
South West North East
jec sillafu miamiwiz reisig
Pass 1NT
Pass 2C Pass 2D
Pass 3S* Pass 3NT
Pass Pass Pass
1. 4h 2s
Opening lead: DT Result: Made 5
Score: 660 Points: -1.00
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IMP-1750 WarrenS Dlr: North
Board 9 S T5 Vul: E-W
H KQJT2
smispi D 72 jec
S KJ983 C QJ72 S 7642
H 6 H 754
D KT864 Gavin D Q3
C 63 S AQ C A854
H A983
D AJ95
C KT9
North East South West
smispi WarrenS jec Gavin
Pass Pass Pass 1NT
Pass 2D Pass 3H
Pass 4H Pass Pass
Pass
Opening lead: C6 Result: Made 5
Score: 650 Points: 1.00
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IMP-1216 weedo Dlr: West
Board 20 S JT54 Vul: Both
H KJ93
jec D Q5 smispi
S K C Q82 S A8763
H T82 H 64
D J8743 ptrent D 962
C AT53 S Q92 C J74
H AQ75
D AKT
C K96
South West North East
jec weedo smispi ptrent
Pass Pass 1NT
Pass 2C Pass 2H
Pass 3H Pass 4H
Pass Pass Pass
Opening lead: H2 Result: Made 4
Score: 620 Points: 0.00
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IMP-604 mauro666 Dlr: South
Board 27 S A9 Vul: None
H QT832
fulvio2002 D J32 jec
S T8432 C K92 S 65
H K9 H J65
D 865 tosimay D KQ974
C QJ3 S KQJ7 C T64
H A74
D AT
C A875
North East South West
fulvio2002 mauro666 jec tosimay
Pass 1NT*
Pass 2D Pass 2H
Pass 3C* Pass 3H*
Pass 4H Pass Pass
Pass
1. 15-17
2. more desc
3. 3 h
Opening lead: CQ Result: Made 5
Score: 450 Points: 0.00
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IMP-1667 nevaio Dlr: East
Board 18 S 864 Vul: N-S
H A976
merijng D KJ9 BobDrijver
S J972 C 987 S QT5
H 3 H T854
D AQ63 jec D T42
C JT62 S AK3 C A43
H KQJ2
D 875
C KQ5
West North East South
merijng nevaio BobDrijver jec
Pass 1NT
Pass 2C Pass 2H
Pass 3H Pass 4H
Pass Pass Pass
Opening lead: CJ Result: Down 1
Score: -100 Points: -12.00
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IMP-414 smispi Dlr: East
Board 18 S T54 Vul: N-S
H AT952
azzam1 D KQ thejuwel
S Q76 C A98 S K832
H 874 H K6
D 975 jec D T643
C J532 S AJ9 C 764
H QJ3
D AJ82
C KQT
West North East South
azzam1 smispi thejuwel jec
Pass 1NT
Pass 2D Pass 2H
Pass 3NT Pass 4H
Pass Pass Pass
Opening lead: C2 Result: Made 6
Score: 680 Points: 0.00
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IMP-1142 miamiwiz Dlr: North
Board 25 S J76 Vul: E-W
H KT7654
ionutcld D 6 leroumain
S KT83 C 943 S Q92
H 2 H 93
D KQJ92 jec D AT85
C 875 S A54 C KT62
H AQJ8
D 743
C AQJ
West North East South
ionutcld miamiwiz leroumain jec
Pass Pass 1NT
Pass 2D Pass 2S!
Pass 3D Pass 3H
Pass 4H Pass Pass
Pass
1. max
Opening lead: DK Result: Made 4
Score: 420 Points: 0.00
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IMP-735 ritong Dlr: North
Board 25 S AKT43 Vul: E-W
H QJ963
jec D 7 smispi
S QJ6 C K2 S 9852
H A42 H 75
D AK2 Jackth D QJT53
C AT76 S 7 C 53
H KT8
D 9864
C QJ984
South West North East
jec ritong smispi Jackth
Pass Pass
1NT 2C* Pass 2H
Pass 3H Pass 4H
Pass Pass Pass
1. majors
Opening lead: DA Result: Down 2
Score: -200 Points: -3.00
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IMP-583 sengulerz Dlr: North
Board 5 S A97 Vul: N-S
H QJT73
jec D AJ43 miamiwiz
S QT8 C 4 S K63
H AK5 H 2
D K85 tez D 976
C KQJ8 S J542 C AT7652
H 9864
D QT2
C 93
South West North East
jec sengulerz miamiwiz tez
Pass Pass
1NT 2D! 2S* 3H*
3NT 4H Pass Pass
Pass
1. any major
2. clubs
3. p/c
Opening lead: CK Result: Down 2
Score: -100 Points: 11.00
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IMP-449 jec Dlr: East
Board 2 S Q72 Vul: N-S
H AK32
Disa D A74 vdoubleu
S 8 C AJ7 S AKJ543
H 6 H T5
D KJ9853 fulvio2002 D T62
C K6542 S T96 C 93
H QJ9874
D Q
C QT8
East South West North
Disa jec vdoubleu fulvio2002
Pass 1NT Pass 2D
Dbl 3C! Pass 3D
4C 4D Pass 4H
Pass Pass Pass
1. best raise, cue
Opening lead: S8 Result: Made 4
Score: 620 Points: 0.00
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IMP-164 miamiwiz Dlr: South
Board 27 S KQJ9 Vul: None
H AK6
helstokk D T43 ghelgemo
S 42 C KQT S AT753
H T2 H J4
D K9865 jec D A
C A654 S 86 C 98732
H Q98753
D QJ72
C J
West North East South
helstokk miamiwiz ghelgemo jec
Pass
Pass 1NT 2D! Pass
2H Pass 2S 3H
4C 4H Dbl Pass
Pass Pass
1. h or s + minor
Opening lead: S4 Result: Down 2
Score: -300 Points: -9.00
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IMP-679 jec Dlr: East
Board 10 S KJ972 Vul: Both
H J96
LLORENZO D A872 nevaio
S 5 C 6 S T863
H T85 H A742
D K654 miamiwiz D J
C Q9875 S AQ4 C KT32
H KQ3
D QT93
C AJ4
East South West North
LLORENZO jec nevaio miamiwiz
Pass Pass Pass 1NT
Pass 2H! Pass 2NT*
Pass 3D Pass 4C
Pass 4D Pass 4S
Pass Pass Pass
1. SelfAlert
2. max 3 good trump
Opening lead: D5 Result: Made 5
Score: 650 Points: -1.00
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IMP-926 tendenz Dlr: East
Board 10 S JT7653 Vul: Both
H T3
jec D AT86 nevaio
S KQ84 C Q S
H K6 H QJ852
D 74 leroumain D J532
C K7654 S A92 C T983
H A974
D KQ9
C AJ2
South West North East
jec tendenz nevaio leroumain
1NT
Pass 2H Pass 3S
Pass 4S Pass Pass
Pass
Opening lead: D7 Result: Made 4
Score: 620 Points: 0.00
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IMP-108 miamiwiz Dlr: East
Board 2 S KJT8 Vul: N-S
H A76
pehlivan D JT95 gid
S 9763 C K8 S 2
H Q854 H T32
D Q876 jec D K4
C 7 S AQ54 C QJT9654
H KJ9
D A32
C A32
West North East South
pehlivan miamiwiz gid jec
Pass 1NT
Pass 2C 3C Pass
Pass Dbl Pass 3S
Pass 4S Pass Pass
Pass
Opening lead: C7 Result: Made 5
Score: 650 Points: 0.00
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IMP-12 dobrin Dlr: East
Board 6 S Q94 Vul: E-W
H AQ97
jec D A82 nevaio
S J8 C AQ4 S K3
H KT653 H J42
D KQ MZH D J7543
C J987 S AT7652 C K52
H 8
D T96
C T63
South West North East
jec dobrin nevaio MZH
Pass
Pass 1NT Pass 2H
Dbl 2NT! Pass 4S
Pass Pass Pass
1. max, 3 cards supp
Opening lead: DK Result: Down 1
Score: -100 Points: -6.00
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IMP-1078 fulldiRe Dlr: North
Board 5 S AK652 Vul: N-S
H AQ
jec D J74 nevaio
S Q983 C 762 S 7
H T9852 H J43
D T82 leroumain D 965
C T S JT4 C KQ8543
H K76
D AKQ3
C AJ9
South West North East
jec fulldiRe nevaio leroumain
Pass 1NT
Pass 2H Pass 2S
Pass 3NT Pass 4S
Pass Pass Pass
Opening lead: CT Result: Made 5
Score: 450 Points: -1.00
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IMP-815 fulvio2002 Dlr: North
Board 13 S T975 Vul: Both
H
PYG D QT953 mgr777
S J8 C AT53 S K43
H Q87542 H AT93
D K842 jec D 7
C 7 S AQ62 C QJ982
H KJ6
D AJ6
C K64
West North East South
PYG fulvio2002 mgr777 jec
Pass Pass 1NT
Pass 2C Pass 2S
Pass 3S Pass 4S
Pass Pass Pass
Opening lead: C7 Result: Down 1
Score: -100 Points: 5.00
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IMP-87 stewball Dlr: West
Board 4 S Q9832 Vul: Both
H 4
jec D Q7 fulvio2002
S J54 C QJ932 S AT
H QJ632 H KT875
D KJT3 leroumain D 852
C 6 S K76 C T84
H A9
D A964
C AK75
South West North East
jec stewball fulvio2002 leroumain
Pass Pass 1NT
Pass 2H Dbl 3S
4H 4S Pass Pass
Pass
Opening lead: C6 Result: Made 4
Score: 620 Points: 0.00
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IMP-956 smispi Dlr: East
Board 10 S QJT87 Vul: Both
H 6
liubo71 D J9432 alchilds
S 962 C 52 S 54
H K873 H QT952
D 76 jec D A85
C AK94 S AK3 C QT6
H AJ4
D KQT
C J873
West North East South
liubo71 smispi alchilds jec
Pass 1NT
Pass 2H Pass 2NT!
Pass 3H! Pass 3S
Pass 4S Pass Pass
Pass
1. max, 3s
2. retfr
Opening lead: CA Result: Made 4
Score: 620 Points: 13.00
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IMP-1283 jermy1ms Dlr: North
Board 9 S J965 Vul: E-W
H KQJ
miamiwiz D 84 jec
S Q42 C A873 S T8
H T8763 H 94
D 97 smothplay D AJ532
C T94 S AK73 C KJ65
H A52
D KQT6
C Q2
North East South West
miamiwiz jermy1ms jec smothplay
Pass Pass Pass 1NT
Pass 2C Pass 2S
Pass 4S Pass Pass
Pass
Opening lead: D9 Result: Made 4
Score: 620 Points: -1.00
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IMP-794 miamiwiz Dlr: North
Board 9 S JT987 Vul: E-W
H 6
farfie D T862 ritong
S 43 C 863 S A2
H T9732 H AJ84
D QJ94 jec D 73
C 72 S KQ65 C AKQT5
H KQ5
D AK5
C J94
East South West North
farfie miamiwiz ritong jec
1NT
Pass 2H 3C 4S
Pass Pass Dbl Pass
Pass Pass
Opening lead: C7 Result: Down 2
Score: -300 Points: -9.00
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IMP-1763 TranWay Dlr: East
Board 6 S AK9 Vul: E-W
H K972
ollina D K62 jec
S 4 C AJ4 S Q832
H JT653 H 84
D JT94 ylii D AQ73
C T62 S JT765 C K98
H AQ
D 85
C Q753
North East South West
ollina TranWay jec ylii
1NT! Pass 2C
Pass 2H Pass 3S
Pass 4C Pass 4D
Pass 5S Pass Pass
Pass
1. SelfAlert
Opening lead: DJ Result: Down 3
Score: -300 Points: -14.00
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IMP-1078 fulldiRe Dlr: East
Board 22 S Vul: E-W
H AKT875
jec D 74 nevaio
S QT964 C J8743 S J875
H 4 H 632
D KJT2 leroumain D Q65
C K96 S AK32 C QT2
H QJ9
D A983
C A5
South West North East
jec fulldiRe nevaio leroumain
1NT
Pass 2D Pass 2H
2S 4H 4S Dbl
Pass 5C Pass 6H
Pass Pass Pass
Opening lead: S4 Result: Made 6
Score: 1430 Points: 12.00
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IMP-1945 jec Dlr: South
Board 15 S A95 Vul: N-S
H A42
matushko D AQ87 loki2oo2
S 842 C A32 S 76
H 873 H KQT965
D JT92 miamiwiz D 5
C KJ8 S KQJT3 C T754
H J
D K643
C Q96
East South West North
matushko jec loki2oo2 miamiwiz
1NT 3H 3S
Pass 4H Pass 4NT
Pass 5D! Pass 6S
Pass Pass Pass
1. 1 or 4
Opening lead: H3 Result: Down 1
Score: -100 Points: 3.00
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IMP-1087 ollina Dlr: South
Board 27 S QJ9 Vul: None
H K84
Lunardi D AQ632 J Li
S 76432 C K9 S 85
H 652 H J93
D 984 jec D J5
C AJ S AKT C 876432
H AQT7
D KT7
C QT5
West North East South
Lunardi ollina J Li jec
1NT
Pass 4NT! Pass 6NT
Pass Pass Pass
1. quant
Opening lead: D8 Result: Made 6
Score: 990 Points: -1.00
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Posted 2011-July-17, 12:42
I play better minor so I open 1♦ 
I hate downgrading or upgrading these hands as well so I am ready to bid 2NT.
I hate downgrading or upgrading these hands as well so I am ready to bid 2NT.
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"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."
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Posted 2011-July-17, 14:29
Interesting hands Ben. Can you search the same hands for 1m openings and compare results?
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Posted 2011-July-17, 16:55
If you habitually downgrade based on shape, spot cards, and soft/hard honors then presumably you will also upgrade when you hold a good 14, effectively your 15/17 Nt range is 14+/18-.
I for one question the wisdom of this practice, I would like to hear from partner before I start downgrading.
If you open this hand 1♣ and partner responses 1 of anything does that not indicate that your honor(s) within that suit should be upgraded?. Besides, if you open 1NT and partner passes with a hand that makes 3 don't you run the risk of playing the balance of the set with a pissed partner.
I agree this is a less than a perfect 18 count, but I'm opening 1♣ and rebidding 2NT opposite a red suit response, this satisfies my agreements and I expect the field will be making the same call.
I for one question the wisdom of this practice, I would like to hear from partner before I start downgrading.
If you open this hand 1♣ and partner responses 1 of anything does that not indicate that your honor(s) within that suit should be upgraded?. Besides, if you open 1NT and partner passes with a hand that makes 3 don't you run the risk of playing the balance of the set with a pissed partner.
I agree this is a less than a perfect 18 count, but I'm opening 1♣ and rebidding 2NT opposite a red suit response, this satisfies my agreements and I expect the field will be making the same call.
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Posted 2011-July-17, 20:09
quiddity, on 2011-July-17, 09:33, said:
but game is probably terrible opposite a flat 7 count and many bad 8s, so what is your point?
Did you see it is imps? Further if I have this hand I want to be in game opposite a bad 8.
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