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#1 User is offline   kgr 

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Posted 2011-July-13, 10:43

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What do you open?
2=Muiderberg (weak 5c; 4+minor)

- If you open 1 (2+ card) then:
Partner transfers to (T-Walsh).
1-1!(xfer)
1-2NT (1 denies 3c)
??

- If you open the bidding with a Pass You can :
- - first bid and then (GF)
- - First bid , and retransfer to after partner bids 1NT; If you then bid this is GF. (with 5c and 4+)
- - First bid , and transfer to (with 2) after partner bids 1NT; If you then rebid this is undefined. (but first bidding then denies a 5c & denies GF values)
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Posted 2011-July-13, 12:26

I open with 1 and follow the bidding you set out for that start. Over 2NT I bid 3. If partner continues with 3NT, I bid 4.

So far, no problems.
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Posted 2011-July-14, 01:05

I don't like that hand very much, but we don't need much from partner to make game. So I prefer 1 over a Muiderberg. After the opening I'll bid twice to show 5-6.
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Posted 2011-July-14, 08:25

View Postkgr, on 2011-July-13, 10:43, said:

- If you open the bidding with a Pass You can : [...] (GF)


Really?
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Posted 2011-July-14, 12:00

View Postmgoetze, on 2011-July-14, 08:25, said:

Really?




What are you trying to tell ?
Your "really" seems very manipulative to us ......



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Posted 2011-July-14, 12:03

View PostLurpoa, on 2011-July-14, 12:00, said:



What are you trying to tell ?
Your "really" seems very manipulative to us ......




Can you not READ?!

Obviously he is talking about the fact that a passed hand should not be able to GF.
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Posted 2011-July-14, 12:39

View Postmtvesuvius, on 2011-July-14, 12:03, said:

Can you not READ?!

Obviously he is talking about the fact that a passed hand should not be able to GF.










Oh,yes, might be be true....

Anyway, good to hear your opinion.

It would be nice if everyone would appreciate the ideas of others, without making fun of them.







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Posted 2011-July-14, 12:46

And I suppose the term "manipulative' is good natured...

And who the heck is "us" anyway? :blink:
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Posted 2011-July-14, 12:54

View Postmgoetze, on 2011-July-14, 08:25, said:

Really?

Maybe it is not really GF after initial Pass
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Posted 2011-July-14, 13:00

View Postkgr, on 2011-July-13, 10:43, said:

MP's<br>All Green

What do you open?
2=Muiderberg (weak 5c; 4+minor)

- If you open 1 (2+ card) then:
Partner transfers to (T-Walsh).
1-1!(xfer)
1-2NT (1 denies 3c)
??

- If you open the bidding with a Pass You can :
- - first bid and then (GF)
- - First bid , and retransfer to after partner bids 1NT; If you then bid this is GF. (with 5c and 4+)
- - First bid , and transfer to (with 2) after partner bids 1NT; If you then rebid this is undefined. (but first bidding then denies a 5c & denies GF values)

our bidding was:
Pass-1
1-1NT
2!-3! (2=xfer ; 3=bad hand)
3-Pass
- I opened 1 in 3th hand and had an 11 HCP 2=5=4=2 hand.
I passed 3 because we are a new partership & I thought partner misbid and tried to correct to 3.
We did go down but it was still a decent score because most other pairs were higher and did go down more.

- Would you still open 1 if you change the J or Q to a small ?
- Would you also open 1 with 1=5=1=7 hand & reverse 2 if partner bids 1?

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Posted 2011-July-14, 14:41

1 and 3 later.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the 3.


 rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

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Posted 2011-July-14, 15:09

This hand is probably closer to a 3C opening than to 1C.
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Posted 2011-July-15, 01:04

View Postxxhong, on 2011-July-14, 15:09, said:

This hand is probably closer to a 3C opening than to 1C.

I was surprised that everyone was opening 1C with this hand. (and I wonder what they would do if the hand was slightly weaker OR if & were reversed).
But I never thought that anyone would open it 3
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Posted 2011-July-15, 01:43

View Postkgr, on 2011-July-14, 13:00, said:

- Would you still open 1 if you change the J or Q to a small ?

No, the QJT makes this holding nice. In that case I'd open a Muiderberg.

View Postkgr, on 2011-July-14, 13:00, said:

- Would you also open 1 with 1=5=1=7 hand & reverse 2 if partner bids 1?

I'd also open 1 but I wouldn't reverse. Just rebid 2, unless you have alternatives like 3 specifically showing a minimum 5-6.
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