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#1 User is offline   Hanoi5 

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Posted 2011-July-06, 06:15

Teams, you're red, they're white:

♠863
♥AQ82
♦J9872
♣5

2♦*-2♥**-3♥***-???

*Multi
**Natural
***Pass or correct

What's your bid?

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 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


 rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

Besides playing for fun, most people also like to play bridge to win


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Posted 2011-July-06, 06:42

I would have bid 4H the first time (don't need that much to make it given probable stiff spade), and then pass the 4S bid if they bid it. Given the actual sequence, I guess I have to pass also.
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Posted 2011-July-06, 06:50

View PostHanoi5, on 2011-July-06, 06:15, said:

Teams, you're red, they're white:

♠863
♥AQ82
♦J9872
♣5

2♦*-2♥**-3♥***-???

*Multi
**Natural
***Pass or correct



I'd bid 4♥ over 3♥

I'd also pass over 4♠.
What to do over 4♠X is a bit more interesting since the 2♦ opener probably has a heart void
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Posted 2011-July-06, 06:56

I bid 4♥ immediately. No need to catch up later.
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Posted 2011-July-06, 06:59

Pass to 3♥ is very strange.
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Posted 2011-July-06, 07:27

Yes I can't imagine passing over 3H either. If for some reason you don't bid 4H you can double.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2011-July-06, 08:33

An immediate 4♥ over 3♥ seems obvious.
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Posted 2011-July-06, 10:30

Not bidding 4♥ over 3♥ is crazy. Now we have to pass... Bidding 5♥ would be even crazier.
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Posted 2011-July-06, 10:58

As much as I'd love it, I cannot go against the consensus here.
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Posted 2011-July-06, 11:37

What you do in this auction depends on your agreements for defense against multi...strength of hand etc. if partner could hold ♠x ♥KJxxx ♦Kxx ♣aqxx for his 2♥call then an X of 3♥ is probably your best choice. If he has to have a better hand then yes a 4♥ is warranted.
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Posted 2011-July-06, 11:38

duplicate post
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Posted 2011-July-06, 11:44

View Postpooltuna, on 2011-July-06, 11:38, said:

What you do in this auction depends on your agreements for defense against multi...strength of hand etc. if partner could hold ♠x ♥KJxxx ♦Kxx ♣aqxx for his 2♥call then an X of 3♥ is probably your best choice. If he has to have a better hand then yes a 4♥ is warranted.

Why would you want to X opposite that? If we sell to 3♠ we would likely concede 140 while having good play for game in our direction.
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Posted 2011-July-06, 11:52

View Postmfa1010, on 2011-July-06, 11:44, said:

Why would you want to X opposite that? If we sell to 3♠ we would likely concede 140 while having good play for game in our direction.


because he could just as easily have worse hands
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Posted 2011-July-06, 11:56

Pass over 3H was no-good, assuming that 2H was a natural overcall. Difficult to figure out the rest when an error happened in the first round of bidding.
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Posted 2011-July-06, 11:56

View Postpooltuna, on 2011-July-06, 11:52, said:

because he could just as easily have worse hands


So what was your posted hand intended as? A minimum, or an average hand?
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Posted 2011-July-06, 12:38

View PostVampyr, on 2011-July-06, 11:56, said:

So what was your posted hand intended as? A minimum, or an average hand?

A random pointless assortment of 13 cards
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Posted 2011-July-06, 21:14

4♥ seems amazingly automatic. Partner should know that I don't have a strong hand either because of my failure to cue 3♠, so no forcing pass and he won't just make a random double. And passing because 4♥ may be too much is crazy. Imagine partner with x Kxxxx AKQx Axx. Now 6♥ is great. He could even have something like --- Kxxxxx AKQx Axx and 7♥ is claim. That being said, passing is crazy. You're not going for a number in 4♥, and its very descriptive.

And no, my example hands are not too strong for 2♥ with that lovely suit quality. My partner should have good values over there given the quality of his ♥ suit and the vulnerability.
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Posted 2011-July-08, 12:44

You have to bid 4H on the first round.
Your hand is nothing to be ashamed of, and you are also showing a hand not strong enough to cue 3S.

p.s. North's 3H "pass or correct" is a jolly strange call. Most people either bid 3S or double pass-or-correct.
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