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Playing 2/1....so....2♦ a GF.
A difference of opinion on North's rebid.
I thought fairly standard, but the expert I questioned disagreed.
Explanations welcome!
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Posted 2011-July-06, 06:07
Playing 2/1....so....2♦ a GF.
A difference of opinion on North's rebid.
I thought fairly standard, but the expert I questioned disagreed.
Explanations welcome!
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Posted 2011-July-06, 06:29
I think you should explain what you mean by "if you had a fourth diamond"
5341 (in which case, no you don't have a heart suit to mention)
5440
5441?!
5341 (in which case, no you don't have a heart suit to mention)
5440
5441?!
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Posted 2011-July-06, 06:30
Anything other than 2♥ will be masterminding and you're not in a position to do that. There's a time to mastermind and a time to show your hand. This situation falls in the 2nd case.
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Posted 2011-July-06, 06:52
Even if you were 5440, majors would still score higher than minors.
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Posted 2011-July-06, 06:52
We have 4♥, so we show them. Simple bridge. 
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Posted 2011-July-06, 10:46
2♥ as long as I have a 4 card heart suit. 3♦ if 5341.
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Posted 2011-July-06, 11:24
It seems like the implicit question is whether somehow splintering immediately makes sense. That seems idiotic, as...
1♠...2♥...♦
...seems like an auction that shows a club stiuff equally well, it it is ever relevant.
1♠...2♥...♦
...seems like an auction that shows a club stiuff equally well, it it is ever relevant.
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Posted 2011-July-06, 11:29
2H with a 4 card Ht suit ( 2D did not deny a 4 card Ht suit ... also 2D does not guarantee 5 cards, although in all probabilty it is at least 5 cards ) .
3D with 5 2 4 2
4C! splinter with 5 3 4 1
3D with 5 2 4 2
4C! splinter with 5 3 4 1
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Posted 2011-July-06, 11:43
2H is the only rebid I would even consider.
With GF already established, I would never splinter in the given auction, even if I did not have a 4-card heart suit. Sometimes it is 3NT that we should play, sometimes partner does not have 5-card diamonds, sometimes partner will show spade support next. To jam the uncontested auction too high and at the same time set trump prematurely would be not in our best interest.
With GF already established, I would never splinter in the given auction, even if I did not have a 4-card heart suit. Sometimes it is 3NT that we should play, sometimes partner does not have 5-card diamonds, sometimes partner will show spade support next. To jam the uncontested auction too high and at the same time set trump prematurely would be not in our best interest.
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Posted 2011-July-07, 23:09
I agree with ya Raija
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Posted 2011-July-08, 00:42
2H. Responder can still have 4 cards in H. Further if responder bids 2S or 2NT you can now bid 3D to show your shape.
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Posted 2011-July-08, 01:12
It is not just that you might have a heart fit that makes 2H attractive with 5-4-4-0, but also the fact that it is such a cheap bid compared with 4C. Chances are you will still get to show your shape yet.
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Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. m
str-mnding) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees."Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
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Posted 2011-July-08, 02:24
2H - anything else is ...
If I happen to be 5440, a splinter bid is certainly an alternative to 2H.
I guess, I still would bid 2H, but 4C is not out of this world, the splinter
would show the 4th trump, the delayed raise of diamond could be based on 3.
Of course the delayed diamond raise would also imply club shortage, so ...,
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If I happen to be 5440, a splinter bid is certainly an alternative to 2H.
I guess, I still would bid 2H, but 4C is not out of this world, the splinter
would show the 4th trump, the delayed raise of diamond could be based on 3.
Of course the delayed diamond raise would also imply club shortage, so ...,
With kind regards
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Posted 2011-July-08, 12:13
With the hand as originally posted (5431) anything other than 2H is strange. I like an immediate raise of partner's suit to show 4-card support, and 2H is a very cheap bid - whatever partner does next, you should be able to pattern out. You are strong enough to bid 4D over a jump to 3NT.
The only shape on which I can have a 1S opening, 4 hearts and 4 diamonds is 5440. Whether I splinter on that depends on the strength of the hand: it's not playable to splinter on both a 5440 10-count and a 15-count because you won't know what to do if partner bids 4S (ostensibly a contract suggestion). By partnership agreement, 4C should either promise a minimum, or show extra values.
The only shape on which I can have a 1S opening, 4 hearts and 4 diamonds is 5440. Whether I splinter on that depends on the strength of the hand: it's not playable to splinter on both a 5440 10-count and a 15-count because you won't know what to do if partner bids 4S (ostensibly a contract suggestion). By partnership agreement, 4C should either promise a minimum, or show extra values.
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