What's the best way to improve your play? play includes declare play and defense
#1
Posted 2011-July-02, 10:32
What's the way you improve your play? Or if you're teaching bridge what's the way you teach your students?
I personally more interested in solving problems on books more than playing real deals. I usually find my play on real game is much worse than my ability of solving problems(Maybe when I solve the problems I know it's tricky and the obvious play must be wrong). Is that normal or awkward?
Hope you can share your experience.
#2
Posted 2011-July-02, 11:30
If you are a virtual beginner, then the best way to improve is just to play and get used to how the cards 'work', combined with tuition/simple reading.
If you are an 'advancing' player, then by far the best way, if you can, is to play with someone better than you and have them give you advice.
If you are already a good player, then I think books are good, as is discussing hands at length with other players, and watching how really top class players play hands. The problem with the last of these is you don't always know when your chosen really top class player is producing top class play, or is just thinking about his dinner.
#3
Posted 2011-July-02, 11:34
George Carlin
#5
Posted 2011-July-02, 15:14
Defense I feel more strongly about my #2 answer. Defense happens in the context of interpreting what your partner is doing and cooperating with him. We dont have good software for that yet, and just solving standalone problems is probably a harder way to figure out 'what is worth thinking about' that some directed guidance followed by practice problems is.
In either case, live play/lessons with someone you KNOW is a good and patient player is an alternative - but playing with random players is an awful way to try to learn defense, and in general random hands are not as effective for learning as directed practice is: in real life, sometimes bad plays go unpunished and good plays don't succeed, sometimes well-meaning partners and opps give bad advice, sometimes you learn a tactic that works only against an opponent who habitually makes a given type of error, etc.
#6
Posted 2011-July-02, 15:34
For defense, it's very much a partnership thing. The best way is to defend hands with a good partner (ideally better than you are, but at least comparable level) who will then discuss the defenses with you afterwards. Books are okay but too often matters of partnership style come in (i.e. you are supposed to reason something based on partner's carding but you typically play different carding). Defending hands with a weak partner or with a pickup where you have few agreements is not so helpful.
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#7
Posted 2011-July-04, 02:34
Not sure what the best way is to improve declarer play. I've read books, played with BM2000, played many hands,... A combination of them all is probably best, but I don't have a clear favorite.
#8
Posted 2011-July-05, 16:44
Books and software are just optional because they usually present a problem. In real plays, you actually don't know whether the hand is of special interest or not.
frank0, on 2011-July-02, 10:32, said:
What's the way you improve your play? Or if you're teaching bridge what's the way you teach your students?
I personally more interested in solving problems on books more than playing real deals. I usually find my play on real game is much worse than my ability of solving problems(Maybe when I solve the problems I know it's tricky and the obvious play must be wrong). Is that normal or awkward?
Hope you can share your experience.
#9
Posted 2011-July-05, 17:15
- BIL (Beginners Intermediate Lounge) is a relaxed place to play. They provide mentors to help you. And there is a useful library of instructional material.
- Attempt to solve the play and defence problems presented in the Bridge Base fora. I find the expert comment helpful.
- Watch world-class players on BBO viewgraph.
- After an on-line session on BBO, down-load the deals to Bo Haglund's superb Double-dummy solver. Play through them, experimentally. Discuss them with partner (especially useful for improving defensive rapport).
#10
Posted 2011-July-05, 19:58
#11
Posted 2011-July-05, 21:09
So often I hear players say "Oh, we could have beat 4♠". Maybe. But that's not the point. Rather one should look at what clue, if any, was overlooked.
#12
Posted 2011-July-05, 21:49
Vampyr, on 2011-July-05, 19:58, said:
All the reading and practice in the world won't count for squat if you can't do it at the table.
Go to every BIG tournament you can. My personal record was entering the Vanderbilt as the 104 seed out of 105 teams.
What is baby oil made of?
#13
Posted 2011-July-05, 23:29
The Watson "the play of the hand" book was very helpful - I found a used copy for $2, but you can also get a soft copy for free from the BIL.
Bridge Master 2000 is really excellent too.
#14
Posted 2011-July-06, 07:47
#2A Play ALOT. There's no substitute for reps.
#2B Go over every hand after each session. Most of us make a hundred little mistakes each session. The difference between the old timer who is still terrible after 40 years .. and the good player .. is that one has examined and learned from those mistakes.
#15
Posted 2011-July-06, 10:08
I almost hate to admit that I spend more time reviewing hands than I do playing them.
If you are not able to find things in reviewing your own play, find someone to help with it, or post an occassional hand here that you got a bad result on but can not tell why (the assess the blame or what went wrong kind of thing). Good luck improving.
#16
Posted 2011-July-06, 11:26
For improving defense, once the basics of counting EVERY hand as an automatic reflex has been mastered, is to analyze played hands with a regular partner who is an expert. I understand not everyone has this last luxury, but if you have the means, I am sure this is where hiring a pro really comes in handy. Or sweet talk some expert to do it with you for free There are generous people who are willing to do it for a serious learner.
#17
Posted 2011-July-06, 11:31
Antrax, on 2011-July-05, 23:29, said:
The Watson "the play of the hand" book was very helpful - I found a used copy for $2, but you can also get a soft copy for free from the BIL.
Bridge Master 2000 is really excellent too.
For beginner/intermediate, Dorothy Truscott's "Winning Declarer Play" is a jewel to read. Can be read several times, and includes instruction as well as problems, plus its style of writing makes things easy to absorb.
#18
Posted 2011-July-06, 16:04
peachy, on 2011-July-06, 11:31, said:
Heh, that's one of the books I always try to get Spades players switching to Bridge to read.
Another great one is Card Play Technique by Mollo
Grinding out Bridge Master hands until you can do level 3 hands without a problem is a good way to develop your declarer play imo. Of course with Bridge Master you are really mastering "themes" and not all the nitty gritty details of declaring (which are much more frequent than general themes). For gaining proficiency in the "nitty gritty" details I think it just comes down to playing a ton of hands and then reviewing those hands with a player better than yourself.
I think learning defense takes a ton of hand analysis with your partner. There are also many good books on this.
#19
Posted 2011-July-06, 16:21
#20
Posted 2011-July-07, 17:34
Count to 13. Remember your hand. Count declarer's hand. Count partner's hand. Count each of the four suits. Count declarer's tricks. Count defensive tricks. Memorize all four suit patterns which add to 13.
Make a mental note of trick one.
#21
Posted 2011-July-08, 01:00
I was lucky in that I had played 15 years of home bridge before trying duplicate - I built up card sense and got the hang of counting things/seeing and planning common hands. When I learned about duplicate, I supplemented my knowledge - including learning all signaling - by reading books and applying what I had read, and by doing so I advanced quickly in cardplay skill from where I was.
I also agree that bridgemaster is great software for declarer play. If I feel that I am not playing well, I will often go through a pack of 30-60 deals to drill on the fundamentals again. Even better, the deals are good for players of all skill levels, and can be practiced without a partner to help. The bad thing about the software, though, is that there is a limited amount of deals.