Corrected revoke
#1
Posted 2011-June-27, 10:00
One of the defenders lead a spade, and her partner discarded a small club (to the surprise of all the other players). The spade that was lead "won" the trick. Before anyone played to the next trick, the opponent who had played the club realized that she did in fact have a spade (at the end of the hand we discovered she had 2 left at that point) and that spade was in fact higher than partner's spade, so she now won the trick.
My partner (I was dummy, so I could not call) did not call the director, so I do not know what the proper ruling would have been. The defender now led the club she had attempted to discard.
Had the director been called, what would the proper ruling have been? If requiring the lead of the exposed card is an option to declarer, that would have been a likely choice as it was a favorable lead at this point. The errent defender never was able to take her final good spade.
#2
Posted 2011-June-27, 10:05
jh51, on 2011-June-27, 10:00, said:
This is the only option available.
#3
Posted 2011-June-27, 10:22
jh51, on 2011-June-27, 10:00, said:
The Revoke is not established (Law 63A)
Law 61A A player must correct his revoke if he becomes aware of the irregularity before it becomes established.
Law 61B To correct a revoke the offender withdraws the card he played and substitutes a legal card. 1. A card so withdrawn becomes a major penalty card (Law 50) if it was played from a defenders unfaced hand.
Law 50D1(a)A major penalty card must be played at the first legal opportunity
I have omitted showing you bits of law that refer to complications that commonly arise, but in the present case did not arise. These are particularly in the case where someone else has played a card after the revoke, or if the revoker is not immediately on lead to play his penalty card immediately. So it is not really wise to do it yourself, or trust the opponents to do it all themselves. So you really should have called the director, even after the opponent apparently sorted it all out himself.
#4
Posted 2011-June-27, 10:24
jh51, on 2011-June-27, 10:00, said:
Attention has been drawn to an irregularity, so you could, and should, have called.
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#5
Posted 2011-June-27, 14:41
When the revoker notices and is forced to correct the revoke, fourth hand to play (whether declarer or dummy) can change her play. It sounds like that was not important, but what if fourth hand could have won the trick - but chose not to on spade, spade, club?
It may be that declarer wants one defender on lead and not the other, or would duck this trick if one hand was on lead, but can't afford to, with the other hand on lead and the forced club return (not in this case, from the OP's description, but it would be in others). Or, it could be that if the suit breaks N-0, declarer has no hope, and needs to play damage control, whereas if it breaks M-1 or better, she can make it, and so shouldn't lose this trick.
YetAnotherReason to call the TD and let him deal with all the options.
#6
Posted 2011-June-28, 01:59
L 62C1 Each member of the non-offending side may withdraw and return to his hand any card he may have played after the revoke but before attention was drawn to it (see Law 16D).
#7
Posted 2011-June-28, 08:33
iviehoff, on 2011-June-27, 10:22, said:
So you really should have called the director, even after the opponent apparently sorted it all out himself.
These, I guess were the issues that I had doubts about when I asked the question.
I did not know whether declarer had any options (such as requiring or forbidding the lead of the suit of the penalty card.
I also did not know that I, as dummy, could call the director once the revoke had been noticed.
#8
Posted 2011-June-29, 15:36
bluejak, on 2011-June-27, 10:24, said:
When dummy does call the TD, after irregularity has been pointed out by somebody else at the table, dummy will likely get TD's first attention by "You are dummy, you should not call the director". This happened to me at the Reno NABC not too long ago at the IMP Pairs when partner and opponents started arguing about something, I think it was an exposed card (not sure). Sooo, even some nationally rated directors can err on this.
The Law, however, is clear as blackshoe quoted.
#9
Posted 2011-June-29, 16:07
As for tv, screw it. You aren't missing anything. -- Ken Berg
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#10
Posted 2011-June-29, 16:27
Now, if it were dummy, and it isn't something like ZT, they tend to be told "you have to wait until the end of the hand, and as a result..." but it usually isn't.
#11
Posted 2011-June-29, 16:36
#12
Posted 2011-June-29, 17:39
That said, I agree that a competent TD ought to establish this fact.
As for tv, screw it. You aren't missing anything. -- Ken Berg
I have come to realise it is futile to expect or hope a regular club game will be run in accordance with the laws. -- Jillybean