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#1 User is offline   VM1973 

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Posted 2011-June-23, 09:32

You hold:

♠A9x
♥AQxx
♦Q9x
♣xxx

First seat, not vulnerable. Do you open?
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Posted 2011-June-23, 09:42

I open but I don't think you can playing 2/1
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Posted 2011-June-23, 10:20

1♣, wtp?

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Posted 2011-June-23, 10:25

I would open 1♣ and be happy about it.

 pooltuna, on 2011-June-23, 09:42, said:

I open but I don't think you can playing 2/1

I don't understand this post. Usually when people say this they mean they would open in standard american or SEF or something like that. However, 2/1 only really applies after 1M openers, and it doesn't apply at all after 1♣. So what do you mean? Do you mean that you would like to open a weak NT, or 1♥ in 4 card majors... ?
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Posted 2011-June-23, 11:08

1♣, no need to be too pessimistic
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Posted 2011-June-23, 14:43

 pooltuna, on 2011-June-23, 09:42, said:

I open but I don't think you can playing 2/1


This should be an opener for just about everyone, if you are passing you will be against the majority on the field.

What has 2/1 got to do with anything here?
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Posted 2011-June-23, 15:15

 jmcw, on 2011-June-23, 14:43, said:

This should be an opener for just about everyone, if you are passing you will be against the majority on the field.

What has 2/1 got to do with anything here?


This is an easy opener except for 2/1-ers. So I was wondering why he was questioning it
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Posted 2011-June-23, 15:17

Why pooltuna? Where do you get this from?
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Posted 2011-June-23, 17:22

 VM1973, on 2011-June-23, 09:32, said:

You hold:

♠A9x
♥AQxx
♦Q9x
♣xxx

First seat, not vulnerable. Do you open?


I open almost all 12-counts. This one is quite far away from "so horrible I wouldn't open it". First of all, it has two aces. I don't think I would pass any 12 count with two aces. Secondly, half the points are in my only "long" suit, that's pretty decent. I generally hate 4333 shapes but in some ways A9x AQxx Qx 9xxx would be a worse hand (devalue the queen a bit) - I would still open that one though, and taking away the nines wouldn't make it close either.

An example of a 12-count I might pass would be more like KJ QJx Qxxx QJxx.
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Posted 2011-June-23, 18:18

 gwnn, on 2011-June-23, 15:17, said:

Why pooltuna? Where do you get this from?


I seem to recall you were opening this hand, so everyone so far has said this is an opener.
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Posted 2011-June-23, 20:17

I'm sorry for not being very clear. Where do you get that 2/1ers possibly have a problem opening with this hand?
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Posted 2011-June-23, 21:38

 gwnn, on 2011-June-23, 20:17, said:

I'm sorry for not being very clear. Where do you get that 2/1ers possibly have a problem opening with this hand?


Because I expect 2/1-ers to be in game with an opening hand opposite an opening hand whereas I expect to be able to stop short once in a while
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Posted 2011-June-24, 03:06

 pooltuna, on 2011-June-23, 21:38, said:

Because I expect 2/1-ers to be in game with an opening hand opposite an opening hand whereas I expect to be able to stop short once in a while

And the fact that there are no 2/1 sequences starting with 1♣ doesn't influence the above general argument for you, then.
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