[Fluffy]

♠xxx
♥xxx
♦AKQJx
♣Kx


1♦-2♣
2♦-2♠
??


and when you decide what you bid:

Spoiler

partner bids 4♥ over both 3♣ and 3♦ what now?

[ahydra]

I open 1NT. Disaster averted.

Playing a strong NT, why not rebid 2NT (if 12-14)? After the sequence given, I guess I'd have to bid 3C (ugh)... but then partner bids 4H... wtf is that? Exclusion Blackwood?

ahydra

[kenrexford]

3♣

Partner won't get too excited, IMO, except when it's right. Plus, if I panic, I can probably play diamonds opposite a stiff.

[aguahombre]

 ahydra, on 2011-June-19, 07:45, said:

After the sequence given, I guess I'd have to bid 3C (ugh)... but then partner bids 4H... wtf is that? Exclusion Blackwood?

ahydra

Disagree with "ugh", 3C seems right.

As to "WTF", yes (excl for clubs). And since pard has a heart void, there are six Keycards including the club and diamond kings. If pard next shows we have all the keys, I will launch with the solid diamond suit.

This post has been edited by aguahombre: 2011-June-19, 10:09

[mtvesuvius]

Well, I don't really worry about the meaning of one highly unlikely obscure auction when I am trying to figure out what to bid. Here I think it's a clear 3♣ call, and if partner wants to bid 4♥, we'll figure out what's going on then.
FWIW I think 4♥ is exclusion with clubs as trump, partner never set diamonds, and could have done so.

[Phil]

I agree with the bidding so far. Am I such a handhog that I need to wrongside the NT? This is a very easy 3♣.

4♥ is exclusion by definition. I know we are having a strong auction, but where are the 11 hearts?

[aguahombre]

 Phil, on 2011-June-19, 11:07, said:

I know we are having a strong auction, but where are the 11 hearts?

They have strange decks in Orange County?

[Phil]

 aguahombre, on 2011-June-19, 11:43, said:

They have strange decks in Orange County?

OK, ok, 10

[Fluffy]

This comes from bridgebig (individuals) my partner rebid 3NT with xxx in hearts lol.

I had:

♠AQ10x
♥A
♦9xx
♣AQJxx

Prohbably I wouldn't bid 4♥, anyone suposing that 4♥ is exclusion in a no agreement enviroment is laughable IMO.

[aguahombre]

 Fluffy, on 2011-June-20, 08:00, said:

This comes from bridgebig (individuals) my partner rebid 3NT with xxx in hearts lol.

I had:

♠AQ10x
♥A
♦9xx
♣AQJxx

Prohbably I wouldn't bid 4♥, anyone suposing that 4♥ is exclusion in a no agreement enviroment is laughable IMO.

IMO, your partner's 3NT rebid with XXX in hearts is not a good idea, compared against 3C --which seems to be the consensus call.

But in a no-agreement environment, I don't understand 4H over his 3NT when no trump suit has been established.

Back to reality: if opener does choose the 3C rebid, then your hand can set trumps with 3D (partner has shown 5+ diamonds). This puts you on course for 7D, which pretty much only needs ruffing one heart in dummy for 13 tricks.

[whereagles]

I would have bid 2NT instead of 2♦ on the "shape/strength first" principle.

Having bid 2♦, I think 3♣ now is better. Over 4♥ I'm a bit stuck. Probably will bid 5♣.

[Fluffy]

 aguahombre, on 2011-June-20, 08:44, said:

IMO, your partner's 3NT rebid with XXX in hearts is not a good idea, compared against 3C --which seems to be the consensus call.

But in a no-agreement environment, I don't understand 4H over his 3NT when no trump suit has been established.

Back to reality: if opener does choose the 3C rebid, then your hand can set trumps with 3D (partner has shown 5+ diamonds). This puts you on course for 7D, which pretty much only needs ruffing one heart in dummy for 13 tricks.

I never bid 4♥, specially not over 3NT where no trump is stablished, instead I bid 4♦ over wich aprtner bid 5♣and I raised to 6♣ not knowing what was going on really.

3NT is completelly ridicolous with xxx in hearts. Its a hand hog from individuals. But in retrospect, it is very hard to find 7♦ on this deal, unless I start raising diamonds over 2♦.

[Cyberyeti]

If you have to bid like this due to playing a strong no trump, I'd play 2♠ FG and bid 3♥ 4SF here to show pretty much a 3352 or just possibly 2452 without a heart stop. We're pretty free with 1♦-suit-3♦, so don't need this for what most people would consider a really good 2♦ rebid.

Bizarrely we'd actually have an auction where N basically bids all 13 of his cards if we met this hand.

1N(12-14)-2C (stayman)
2♦-4♣(5+ clubs and a 4 card major, slam interest)
4♦(KC)-4♥(0/3)
4♠(Q♣?)-5♠(yes and no side K, we use 4N for "yes and the most expensive K, spades here")
6♦

The 6♦ bid more or less marks the 1N bidder with AKQJx of diamonds and Kx of clubs presumably 3-3 in the others so bidding 7♦ is not difficult.

[Zelandakh]

Seems like a nice hand for those weak NT methods

1NT = (11)12-14
... - 2S = range ask (clubs or balanced-ish)
3C = max
... - 3H = 5 clubs, 4 spades, slam interest
4D = no fit, good 5 diamonds, good for slam
... - 4H = RKCB (for diamonds)
5D = 2 or 5 +Q
... - 5H = K ask
6C = CK only
... - 7D

[the hog]

I would bid 2NT over 2C, so Fluffy, you can lol at that. I would bid 3C if I chose the sequence you gave me.
Yes, 4H would be exclusion bw for me.

[jdeegan]

3♦ showing a self-sufficient ♦ suit seems to me to be a lesser fib than 3♣ indicating ♣ as a suitable place to play. Pard's polymorphus 4♥ call will elicit 5 ♣ showing the king, followed by 7♦. Bridge is an easy game.

[Free]

I'd bid 3♣ and consider 4♥ exclusion blackwood.