[G_R__E_G]

Some crazy hands at our club last night. This was one of them.

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What's your bid and plan in general? Some extra info that may or may not factor into your decisions. It's matchpoints and your partner's style is that this bid will show between a good 10 to a bad 16 hcp.

[ArtK78]

My plan is to bid 4♠. We will see what happens after that.

[the hog]

My plan is to bid 2S and see what happens after that.

[mtvesuvius]

I bid my 8 card suit at the cheapest level possible, which is forcing. What happens now?

[Hanoi5]

Is it forcing because you shout it?

I'm with bidding 4♠ right away, unless it's a splinter.

[mtvesuvius]

Well yes, that's one reason

I cannot stand playing NF freebids in these auctions, and have had a lot more problems because of them than they aim to solve. I really don't see how the structure can be made to work, and it makes me want to die every time I pick up a good hand opposite partner's overcall.

[andy_h]

4S, not enamoured about my void.

[G_R__E_G]

I agree with you fully Adam that playing 2♠ as forcing is best. Unfortunately this lady that I play with does not. I also wasn't in love with my void so I settled for 4♠ which is where the auction ended. The ♥K was offside (the only 3 pts righty had) so I only made 6. Partner had ♠KJx ♥Ax ♦Ax ♣K10xxxx.

[the hog]

G_R__E_G, on 2011-June-16, 20:54, said:

I agree with you fully Adam that playing 2♠ as forcing is best. Unfortunately this lady that I play with does not.

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You did not state this in your op. If this is the case, I x and then bid S to set up the force - I assume she plays that sequence as forcing? I think 4S is a blugeon of a bid.

[G_R__E_G]

the hog, on 2011-June-16, 22:06, said:

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You did not state this in your op. If this is the case, I x and then bid S to set up the force - I assume she plays that sequence as forcing? I think 4S is a blugeon of a bid.

I could X but then somebody will probably call the director.

[mtvesuvius]

G_R__E_G, on 2011-June-16, 22:15, said:

I could X but then somebody will probably call the director.

I don't like partner's chances in 2♣, so double seems about right.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

If you play Transfer Advances, then 2H!
.... and next 4S ( if partner just "simply accepts" ).

[rhm]

mtvesuvius, on 2011-June-16, 16:19, said:

Well yes, that's one reason

I cannot stand playing NF freebids in these auctions, and have had a lot more problems because of them than they aim to solve. I really don't see how the structure can be made to work, and it makes me want to die every time I pick up a good hand opposite partner's overcall.

So let's assume your wishes are fulfilled and 2♠ is played as forcing.
What is the great strategic advantage of being able to make a forcing bid below game with this particular hand? Why do you want to go slow?
Do you expect to stay out of 4♠ eventually, if partner does not fit your hand?
Do you want to warn opponents that it may be unwise to double, when you eventually reach 4♠?
Or do you expect you might end up in a superior strain than ♠?
Assume partner fits your hand do you expect to have the rest of the auction for yourself and partner?
Do you expect to be able to bid 6♠ with any confidence assuming the cards fit like a glove?

Have I overlooked something? Just wondering..

Holding an 8 card major suit headed by two of the top 3 honors, an 8410 distribution, when opponents have opened the bidding I know what I want to do. Why I need a "bidding plan" for such hands and what such a plan is supposed to accomplish other than letting opponents find out about their own potential is beyond me, but maybe I am too dumb for this game.

Rainer Herrmann

[JLOGIC]

Even playing 2S as forcing I would bid 4S

[han]

Me too, 4S it is.

And I play 2S is non-forcing.

[G_R__E_G]

JLOGIC, on 2011-June-17, 04:50, said:

Even playing 2S as forcing I would bid 4S

Thanks Justin. This is why I didn't mention whether 2♠ would be forcing or not in the OP, I was interesting in hearing how people would bid it with various agreements,

Follow up question....does anyone think my partner should have taken another bid after my 4♠?

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

If you play 2S as NF, you have to bid 3C followed by bidding the spade suit.

If you can bid 2S as F, go ahead.

For whats it worth - We play 2S in this seq. as NF, but we also play 3S / 4S
as fit jumps.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[TWO4BRIDGE]

P_Marlowe, on 2011-June-17, 08:09, said:

For whats it worth - We play 2S in this seq. as NF, but we also play 3S / 4S
as fit jumps.

If you play 2S as NF, you have to bid 3C followed by bidding the spade suit.

I usually like your methods and ideas, but not this one:
--- Advancing 3C ( is THAT really forcing ? ) and then Spades looks like a cuebid for Cl as trumps .

If 3S/4S are fit-jumps, which I like, then it seems 2S would have to be forcing.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

TWO4BRIDGE, on 2011-June-16, 22:48, said:

If you play Transfer Advances, then 2H!
.... and next 4S ( if partner just "simply accepts" ).

But here Partner has a fit and "extras" so he makes what might be called a "super accept" with a 3D! cuebid:

North
K J x
A x
A x
K 10 x x x x

South
A Q 9 8 7 4 3 2
Q J 7 3
6
void

( 1D ) - 2C - ( p ) - 2H! ( Rubens Transfer Advance )
( p ) - 3D! - ( p ) - 4D!
( p ) - 4H - ( p ) - 6S

[Phil]

2♠ is NF. 3♠ would be forcing.

I will bludgeon 4♠ because its a better description of my hand.

What do negative free bids have to do with this??