[dickiegera]

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Is this a 2♦ or 1♦ Bid? Or something else?

And what should partner bid.
Assuming West bids 3 ♦ after 2♥ by South should west bid again after 3 ♥ raise by North?

[jonottawa]

Partner should have opened 1♦. Preempts opposite passed hand partners tend to be wider-ranging and (speaking from repeated experience) often result in poor results when partner had an opening bid that he chose to pass.

[jjbrr]

I would just overcall 1♦ and partner shouldn't bid 3♦ after 2♥ with that hand.

I also would have opened W's hand.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

1D, and West should make a inv. raise.

I would sell out to 3H, mainly since I am not sure, if we can beat 4H.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Lurpoa]

dickiegera, on 2011-June-14, 21:09, said:

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Is this a 2♦ or 1♦ Bid? Or something else?

And what should partner bid.
Assuming West bids 3 ♦ after 2♥ by South should west bid again after 3 ♥ raise by North?

All a matter of style....and agreements with partner....

I do not like 2♦, two reasons:
- too strong
- a fourcard♠.

I do not like 1♦: too weak.

I will take my chance in a pass.....

[Lurpoa]

dickiegera, on 2011-June-14, 21:09, said:

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Is this a 2♦ or 1♦ Bid? Or something else?

And what should partner bid.
Assuming West bids 3 ♦ after 2♥ by South should west bid again after 3 ♥ raise by North?

And indeed, I open on the W-hand: 1♦....♥♥♥

[Free]

West has a nice hand, he can open if he wants to.

Anyway, if West passed, then this is a normal 1♦ overcall imo. If south bids some number of ♥, West can Dbl for takeout (immediately, don't wait for the raise) so you can find the ♠ fit. But it's hard to stay in ♠, and 4♠ doesn't even make because there's probably a ♦ ruff...

[JLOGIC]

I think 2D is fine opp a PH. Opp an UPH not so much!

double post sry

[JLOGIC]

I think 2D is fine opp a PH. Opp an UPH not so much!

After preempting you should not bid again. But if you were going to pick a time to do so, a hand with great defense (for a preempt) and pretty bad offense when the opps have bid a partial is not the right time.

Partner can compete if it's right. And indeed, partner with 4 diamonds, a good hand, and a stiff heart will surely compete (or just bid 4D the first time).

[Lurpoa]

Lurpoa, on 2011-June-15, 00:21, said:

All a matter of style....and agreements with partner....

I do not like 2♦, two reasons:
- too strong
- a fourcard♠.

I do not like 1♦: too weak.

I will take my chance in a pass.....

♥♥♥

Sorry, didn't notice the 1♣ opening.

As said, I would have opened as W with 1♦.

But now: 1♦ overcall is OK. No, not a 2♦ overcall, which, will make it impossible to find a 44♠ fit.

If over 1♦ partner gets enthousiastic, you can bid 2♦ or pass/support his ♠, depending on bidding style.

[JLOGIC]

Lurpoa is there a reason you downvote every post I make? That is like 5 today!

It is quite amusing from someone with a profile that says:

"I would be most happy, when the one who down-votes my postings, leaves me a message, with some explanation why he/she did that. At least, maybe I could learn something. That is why I post in the first place. Many thanks. "

[gwnn]

JLOGIC, on 2011-June-15, 03:43, said:

Lurpoa is there a reason you downvote every post I make? That is like 5 today!

It is quite amusing from someone with a profile that says:

"I would be most happy, when the one who down-votes my postings, leaves me a message, with some explanation why he/she did that. At least, maybe I could learn something. That is why I post in the first place. Many thanks. "

And with the hearts in her posts

As to the hand: I believe both hands are opening bids and I think a 2♦ overcall is a good idea when vulnerable. I'd do it even with an UPP.

[mtvesuvius]

JLOGIC, on 2011-June-15, 03:43, said:

Lurpoa is there a reason you downvote every post I make? That is like 5 today!

It is quite amusing from someone with a profile that says:

"I would be most happy, when the one who down-votes my postings, leaves me a message, with some explanation why he/she did that. At least, maybe I could learn something. That is why I post in the first place. Many thanks. "

I've been serial downvoted by her too. She serial downvotes whenever someone makes a post pointing out that she is wrong or disagrees with her.

BTW on your post Justin, I misclicked and meant to click +...

Anyway, pretty much every post she makes gets downvoted by someone, because they all have the same worthless and annoying advice -- Agree what the bid means with your partner. This is very nice, but some of us don't have the time to discuss the nuances and inferences in a competitive 5 level decision with partner before the game, even with my regular partners, there are plenty of situations that arise here that haven't been discussed but can be logically figured out, or are interesting problems otherwise.

The posts that don't tell us to have an agreement with partner are usually some very badly thought out logic, or misinterpretation of some post or hand.

Just telling people to have an agreement with their partner is totally pointless, and is spam IMO

And there you have it, Lurpoa, that is why I downvote almost every single one of your posts.

[hrothgar]

FWIW

I would pass with the West hand playing standard methods.

I would probably bid 1♦ with the East hand. (4 card spade suit, good defense, ragged Diamond suit)
I don't have a strong objection to a 2♦ preempt opposite a passed hand.

[matmat]

mtvesuvius, on 2011-June-15, 10:38, said:

Just telling people to have an agreement with their partner is totally pointless, and is spam IMO

Mhmmmm
SPAM.
^^

In other news, this hand is a glowing advertisement for using something like overcall structure, where 2♣/1♣ shows 5+♦ and 4+♠ (or just the specific suit cuebids).

[han]

I agree with Lurpoa. I do!

[Free]

han, on 2011-June-15, 14:41, said:

I agree with Lurpoa. I do!

Her first, second or third response?

PS: I downvoted the lurpoa-downvote posts because this is completely off topic. This is not the place to discuss this, ruining a perfectly good thread imo.
PPS: I realise this PS is also off topic...

[mgoetze]

Lurpoa, on 2011-June-15, 00:21, said:

All a matter of style....and agreements with partner....

Lurpoa, you sound like a broken record.

I did not participate in the poll because I considered the second question too flawed. I think East should bid 2♦, and after that, West can guess whether the right way to compensate for his opening pass (which I also disagree with) is to bid 3♦ or 4♦. But he should decide that immediately, and not bid first 3♦ and then possibly change his mind later.

[phil_20686]

Shockingly no one has mentioned playing a 3N bid by a passed hand in this situation as a raise to 4D with "desire to sacrifice". I thought that was a forum favourite?

[gwnn]

Not really. It's a R/S favourite but R/S aren't a forum favourite. There was a recent thread that I'm lazy to look up where most people agreed that p-p-3m-p; 3n should be natural.

edit: There was a thread from longer ago when 655321 and jlall (spelling?) among others agreed that it should be natural and in case 3N is doubled and responder bids 4m, it's still not inviting 5m. I know it's not the same auction, but it does point to a certain direction.