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Posted 2011-June-14, 06:31



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Posted 2011-June-14, 06:35

Scoring?

I might try the 6. But they seem to have a slam so it might not matter. A to give partner a ruff? Too creative, A to cash out, maybe at MP's.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the 3.


 rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

Besides playing for fun, most people also like to play bridge to win


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Posted 2011-June-14, 06:38

View PostHanoi5, on 2011-June-14, 06:35, said:

Scoring?


Thanks, Imps. Forgot.
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Posted 2011-June-14, 06:42

I find the lead of A as clear 1st choice.
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Posted 2011-June-14, 07:06

Ace of spades would be my last choice...well I guess a low spade would be.
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Posted 2011-June-14, 07:26

A. RHO probably has some spade length, so the club trick might be going on a diamond immediately. Once I've seen dummy I may have a better idea as to whether to wait for two spade tricks, or to cash the spade and hope for two trump tricks.
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Posted 2011-June-14, 08:30

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Ace of spades would be my last choice...well I guess a low spade would be.


Based on these statements I can infer that a lead is a more favorable choice than a :)
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Posted 2011-June-14, 10:04

RHO's failure to open a weak 2 or to open the bidding hints that he is not sitting with a wasted K. This is not an absolute, but its enough of a clue that I think its safe to either cash some spades, develop a slow spade (pard has Jx) or give pard an immediate or spade ruff.

I admit the A (mps), low is the first thing that came to my mind, but I really think the pass/4 sequence rings a loud enough bell to lead the spade.
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Posted 2011-June-14, 10:23

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RHO's failure to open a weak 2 or to open the bidding hints that he is not sitting with a wasted ♠K


Well, admittedly one reason he didn't open the bidding could be that he is either 4-6 in majors or has Kxx (some people hold a view that opening 2H with good 3 spades and 6hearts should be avoided, I think that they at least have a point and more probably are just right).
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Posted 2011-June-14, 10:25

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Ace of spades would be my last choice...well I guess a low spade would be.


I have trouble believing you would prefer trump or low club as well as a diamond :)
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Posted 2011-June-14, 10:54

View PostPhil, on 2011-June-14, 10:04, said:

RHO's failure to open a weak 2 or to open the bidding hints that he is not sitting with a wasted K. This is not an absolute, but its enough of a clue that I think its safe to either cash some spades, develop a slow spade (pard has Jx) or give pard an immediate or spade ruff.

I admit the A (mps), low is the first thing that came to my mind, but I really think the pass/4 sequence rings a loud enough bell to lead the spade.

At some other table RHO only bid 3 which was raised to 4. Would that bidding make it different for you?
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Posted 2011-June-14, 11:04

View Postmfa1010, on 2011-June-14, 10:54, said:

At some other table RHO only bid 3 which was raised to 4. Would that bidding make it different for you?


Yes, I think so. As a matter of fact there is a lot of hands where I would bid 3 with the K, but 4 if the K were better placed.
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Posted 2011-June-14, 14:42

Diamond. Ace of spades if I need to get "creative".
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Posted 2011-June-14, 15:11

View Postbluecalm, on 2011-June-14, 10:25, said:

I have trouble believing you would prefer trump or low club as well as a diamond :)


A diamond is what I would lead. It is between that and the CA to me. I have AQ A and trumps aren't splitting for them, I don't see why we might not beat this just being passive. Of course it's easy to see how the club ace could win immediately. I am more of an ace banger than anyone but it doesn't seem like a desperate situation here, or one where I'm particularly likely to be able to give partner a ruff in any suit.

And I definitely prefer a low club to the SA.
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Posted 2011-June-14, 16:10


Thanks for the answers.

This was the layout this particular Sunday, where I played 40 of my most lucky bridge boards for a long time. :P

I talked to a very strong player about this lead and he surprised me by having very strong feelings for a low club. He told me so before I told him about my actual lead, which had in fact been a low club. At the table I didn't feel strongly for it and the actual layout is really just an unusually lucky model perfecto layout for a -lead. But still it's an interesting problem.

What made the difference to me was that I really hated my passive alternative. It is not like a diamond is safe. Going passive from xx could pickle so many holdings with partner like Qxxx, Jxxx, KTxx, etc.
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Posted 2011-June-14, 16:43

Good thread, thanks Michael.
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