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No science possible against preempts

Poll: What is your bid? (18 member(s) have cast votes)

What is your bid?

  1. 4 hearts (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. 4 spades (6 votes [33.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 33.33%

  3. 4NT (2 votes [11.11%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 11.11%

  4. 5 club (1 votes [5.56%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 5.56%

  5. 6 club (7 votes [38.89%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 38.89%

  6. other (2 votes [11.11%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 11.11%

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#1 User is offline   xx1943 

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Posted 2011-June-13, 07:17


1) What does partners 4 promise?
2) Which meaning have 4, 4 and 4NT?
3) Any idea what is the best bid in this situation?

This was the actual hand:


Who is to blame for not reaching slam?

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Posted 2011-June-13, 07:33

1. 4 should show at least 6 diamonds (5 might be possible I suppose but unlikely) with a hand with at least 13 HCP (it's forcing game, you don't pre-empt over pre-empt).
2. 4 should be natural. 4 is a cue-bid showing a great hand, I'm not sure whether it shows diamond support or not, though, but I'd say it tends to. 4NT could be natural or RKCB, I would take it as the later but some might take it as the former.
3. The best bid might be 4, but then partner might want to play in diamonds. I would just bid 6, expecting partner to have the heart control. I suppose 5 is another possiblility, and then partner will take us to slam (but that might not be true, we would bid 5 with a small singleton diamond and a loser in spades, though that sounds pessimistic).

Whatever you decide to do pass shouldn't be an option and partner also had the possibility to make a negative double so his hand should be stronger and probably doesn't want to play in NT. I'd bid 6 myself but I think your partner could have bid it over your 5.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the 3.


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Posted 2011-June-13, 07:48

One thing for sure: pard has points.

I don't really see how to disentangle this, since no bid except the min-looking 5 can contribuite to sort out what suit we should be playing.

I would probably end up bidding 4 and later loosing patience and shooting at 6NT out of annoyance.
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Posted 2011-June-13, 08:25

Should be in GIB forum- its not a free bid to bid with 17 HCP, that's a forcing natural bid. 4D should be artificial strong force- who wants to compete minor over minor.
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Posted 2011-June-13, 08:43

View Postcloa513, on 2011-June-13, 08:25, said:

Should be in GIB forum- its not a free bid to bid with 17 HCP, that's a forcing natural bid. 4D should be artificial strong force- who wants to compete minor over minor.


Strongly disagree.

4 is natural and forcing.
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Posted 2011-June-13, 14:04

#1 4D is natural.
#2 4H - unclear, but I would say natural as well.
#3 4S - slam try for diamonds
#4 4NT - RKCB for diamonds, declarer may intend to play in clubd
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Posted 2011-June-13, 16:44

Yeah you just have to guess some number of clubs over 4D I think.
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Posted 2011-June-14, 10:48

What would 5NT be? GSF? Pick a slam? I like pick a slam here...
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Posted 2011-June-15, 02:04

If the explanation is 12-13 total points, I guess 5 is a huge underbid so I blame South for lying to his robot partner (also note that the robot can't read hesitations ;) ).

I would probably bid 6, although I like 5NT as well.
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