[jillybean]

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[gwnn]

3♥ then 4♣ if I'm confident 4♣ is natural. 3♥ then 3N if I'm not.

edit:
maybe 3♥ then 6♣ is better...

[kenrexford]

The only way that this hand ever becomes a problem is if Opener does not super-accept spades (he should more often than you probably do) AND if you play Gerber after first and last notrump (and thuis cannot bid the "obvious" 4♣ after transferring). In that event, you might not have discussed what to do with spades and clubs and slam interest.

Transferring and then bidding 3NT has some merit, as long as partner will not simply go back to 4♠ if you do this. Ideally, partner will cuebid something along the way if he has spade support and four of the "key cards," meaning four of the outside three Aces, inside King, and inside Queen. With that "prime" of a hand, partner simply must help you out. For example:

2♣-2♦
2NT-3♥
3♠-3NT
4♣(spade support, club Ace, and great hand for slam)

With something like ♠KQx ♥AKxx ♦KQx ♣AQx, Opener has four "key cards," meaning the spade King, spade Queen, heart Ace, and club Ace. With that much junk, surely he would/should cue for you.

This does not help you get to a club slam when partner has four key cards (or more) and club support. If partner lacks spade support, he almost assuredly has club support. This is a problem with Gerber.

One option is to blast 5♣ after transferring, but partners usually stare at you like a dolt (thinking you are the dolt) when you do this.

The practical move might also be 4NT if that is quantitative (after the transfer), which it should be if you also play Texas Transfers (where Texas...4NT is RKCB but Jacoby...4NT is Quantitative). If partner accepts by blasting 6NT, hope it comes in. If partner is a thinker (or if you have discussed the "Gerber problem in clubs"), then he might bid 5NT to accept this and to allow you space to bid 6♣ if you have this hand. You can always hope...

[aguahombre]

gwnn, on 2011-June-03, 15:57, said:

3♥ then 4♣ if I'm confident 4♣ is natural.

Confidence warranted if you and I choose to play together. 4C gotta be natural, and not even 5C for super Gerber.

Prefer the 5-level rebids to be the Meckwell concept of answering Keys with a very long spade suit although not asked.

[jillybean]

The auction was in fact simple..

2♣:2♦
2N:3♥
4♠:4N (1430)
5♣:

[aguahombre]

simple, true....but u might consider the less space-consuming M+1 super acceptance. It leave much more room to explore things.

[Mbodell]

aguahombre, on 2011-June-03, 21:27, said:

simple, true....but u might consider the less space-consuming M+1 super acceptance. It leave much more room to explore things.

The auction:

(2♣-2♦) [optional]
2nt-3♥
3nt

is a dangerous bid without very firm understandings and memory though. Some of the time it is a super accept. Some of the time it is to play (stiff spade).

[aguahombre]

Mbodell, on 2011-June-03, 22:42, said:

The auction:

(2♣-2♦) [optional]
2nt-3♥
3nt

is a dangerous bid without very firm understandings and memory though. Some of the time it is a super accept. Some of the time it is to play (stiff spade).

not accepting the transfer at all is not partnership. We accept with a stiff, or we don't open NT's with a stiff.

[Mbodell]

aguahombre, on 2011-June-03, 23:40, said:

not accepting the transfer at all is not partnership. We accept with a stiff, or we don't open NT's with a stiff.

I agree that is probably better. I have been a witness to the 3nt bid with a stiff a fair bit at the table though (and I think a lot of B/I players and their partners might well do it - even when undiscussed as a sort of a panic. Especially if they are new to opening hands like K AQxx KQJx AQxx 2nt).

[jillybean]

2♣:2♦
2N:3♥
4♠:4N (1430)
5♣:5♦ queen ask
6♦: yes & ♦King   So I think for a minute and decide we have 7♠.

My brilliant partner held KJ932, AQJ, AKJ2, A and since he had 5♠, fabricated the ♠Q.

[gwnn]

That's a very misguided 2N rebid. Good bidding by you Jilly!

[jh51]

gwnn, on 2011-June-04, 09:22, said:

That's a very misguided 2N rebid. Good bidding by you Jilly!

I consider myself an intermediate, but woud agree with gwnn. I am curious how the bidding outght to go (opponents passing) after
2♣-2♦
2♠
I suppose - 3♠
4NT(1430)-5♣
5♦(queen ask) - 6♣ (fabricating the Q with 5♠)

now what??

[Mbodell]

jh51, on 2011-June-06, 12:53, said:

I consider myself an intermediate, but woud agree with gwnn. I am curious how the bidding outght to go (opponents passing) after
2♣-2♦
2♠
I suppose - 3♠
4NT(1430)-5♣
5♦(queen ask) - 6♣ (fabricating the Q with 5♠)

now what??

6 red. Depends on whether you show or ask in this situation. I think 6♥ is what I'd bid now, asking partner for help in hearts. With the stiff partner could bid 7♠. Some people might play that rather than asking we show, in which case we'd bid 6♦ sort of as a cue showing second round control in diamonds and by inference asking about hearts. Partner could now bid 6♥ or 7♠. I'm not sure it matters much if you are in the show camp or the ask camp, as long as you and partner are in the same camp.