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Posted 2011-June-05, 19:50

You play 6 ♠ in South and receive a club lead: the 3.

A careful declarer must forecast his communications:
you are short an entry in hand to draw trumps when they break 4-2!

Any idea?

North
♠ J
AJ985
QJ643
♣ K5


South
♠ AKQ763
74
K7
♣ AJ7

Solution:

You have 1 ♦ loser and provided the ♠ behave themselves, you should be able to pitch a low ♥ on the 3rd ♦ honor.

A careful declarer must forecast his communications: you are short an entry in hand to draw trumps when they break 4-2!

Actually, there's a way to cope with the issue: being a good player, West wouldn't have underlead the ♣ Queen against a slam, fearing this would give you your 12th trick, right?

Do refuse the free ♣ finesse and play Dummy's King at trick 1.

Then: ♠ Jack, hold your breath and finesse the club Queen... It succeeds!
(Who said "of course"?)

3 more rounds of trump are necessary, then ♦ King and you're home.

A lazy declarer would have gone down 2... Well done partner!
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Posted 2011-June-05, 20:27

The solution seems dubious to me.

Assume you just accept the free club finesse, winning the Jack. Now, you lead a spade to the Jack in dummy and play a diamond to the King. if this wins, you have your entry. If this loses, what will LHO do to you?

If he returns a diamond (not possible in the actual layout), you win the diamond Queen and cross to the club Ace (overtaking the King) to pull trumps. If a heart, win the Ace and return in clubs the same way. if a club, overtake the same way.

These lines all require the diamonds to be 3-3 (or a heart-diamond squeeze), which is against the odds. But, it seems like the chance that LHO has made an attacking lead from the Queen of clubs is higher than the chance that LHO has the diamond Ace AND that diamondfs are not 3-3 AND that a heart-diamond squeeze does not exist.
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Posted 2011-June-05, 20:57

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Posted 2011-June-05, 22:28

View Postkenrexford, on 2011-June-05, 20:27, said:

The solution seems dubious to me.

Assume you just accept the free club finesse, winning the Jack. Now, you lead a spade to the Jack in dummy and play a diamond to the King. if this wins, you have your entry. If this loses, what will LHO do to you?


But what if RHO plays the Q on trick 1? You will go down now with the hand layout in the link.
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Posted 2011-June-05, 22:35

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"Actually, there's a way to cope with the issue: being a good player, West wouldn't have underlead the ♣ Queen against a slam, fearing this would give you your 12th trick, right?"


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Posted 2011-June-05, 22:59

View PostPhil, on 2011-June-05, 22:35, said:

LOL


oh come on Phil. Everyone knows real experts lead trump against slams.
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Posted 2011-June-06, 03:03

Did anyone mention that you're down on the normal K lead?

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the 3.


 rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

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Posted 2011-June-06, 03:06

Shouldn't we have some blanket rule against this sort of advertisements?
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Posted 2011-June-06, 03:39

How about winning in hand and playing a diamond to the queen? That usually works unless LHO has a doubleton diamond.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2011-June-06, 03:41

View Postgwnn, on 2011-June-06, 03:06, said:

Shouldn't we have some blanket rule against this sort of advertisements?

But then we would have missed out on an interesting play problem.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2011-June-06, 04:17

View PostMbodell, on 2011-June-05, 22:28, said:

But what if RHO plays the Q on trick 1? You will go down now with the hand layout in the link.

I think you should not overtake anyway. Play

T1: Win in hand.
T2: J to dummy
T3: to king. Assume it looses to LHO. Otherwise there is no problem.
T4: Assume LHO plays anything back but a trump. Win in dummy and do not overtake , even if possible, because then you have 2 losers to take care of and need 3-3
T5: If the return was not a play a honor yourself from dummy. Assume it wins.
T6: Play a low diamond.

If RHO shows out ruff, or if he ruffs over-ruff. If RHO follows to the third , ruff low!
Ruffing low is better than ruffing high because when RHO follows to a third , a break is now more likely than being 3-3 (where ruffing high would win).

To make this contract you will always need no worse than 4-2. This line also requires no worse than 4-2, but this is very likely after the lead.
Of the critical cases where LHO has the A, you win unless RHO has either 4 or is 2-2 in and .

From the opening lead it looks to me more likely that LHO has the Q than the A. Many lead a side suit ace against slams. Also when LHO has the A chances have gone up that he has 3 or 4 cards in . The remaining 5 small s will break 3-2 most of the time.
The suggested solution is clearly inferior, but convenient to the given deal layout where this line goes down.

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Posted 2011-June-06, 07:31

This vubridge advertisement is getting annoying, especially since it's not free (yeah yeah, the lite version in which you can't do anything is free la-di-da). I hope BBO gets a percentage, otherwise they might as well ban their spam...
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