[daveharty]

Nobody vul, IMPs. You hold:

AJ9x
AT9xxx
AK
x

Partner in first seat opens 3D. What if anything do you bid? What is your plan? If you bid 3H (forcing by agreement), partner bids 3NT. What then?

[mike777]

I will try 4c over 3d, rkc in d.

I strongly dont expect pard to have the Ace of clubs here so just bidding 5d is an option.

[kenrexford]

With what hand would partner bid 3♠? In other words, what does the failure to bid 3♠ mean, in your partnership/

[daveharty]

kenrexford, on 2011-June-04, 21:39, said:

With what hand would partner bid 3♠? In other words, what does the failure to bid 3♠ mean, in your partnership/

Undiscussed. This is a pretty new partnership that hasn't gone much further than new suits below game being forcing and 4D is RKC. Would you suggest 3S as a fragment, or a possible entry, or some other meaning?

[Cyberyeti]

A lot depends on your style of preempts in first seat.

I'd probably bid a forcing 4♦ over 3N and give up in 5♦ unless partner bids 4♠ where I'll bid 6. 3N in my world shows absolutely no interest in ♥, singleton or void. You need a miracle to make a slam here, KQ, x, QJ10xxxx, xxx or Kx, x, QJxxxxxx, xx would do it. QJ10xxxx and the A♣ is insufficient on a trump lead, so the complication of whether 5♣ would be A or K is irrelevant, I'm signing off anyway. Most of the time if I bid 6 I'm worst case on the spade finesse for this, but K, x, QJxxxxx, Qxxx would be bad.

[mike777]

sorry i dont really get 4d as 100% forcing or key card,.


Is this expert winning bridge today? 3d...4d

[daveharty]

mike777, on 2011-June-05, 04:14, said:

sorry i dont really get 4d as 100% forcing or key card,.


Is this expert winning bridge today? 3d...4d

My mistake...4C would be RKC for us after a 3D preempt.

[kenrexford]

daveharty, on 2011-June-04, 22:07, said:

Undiscussed. This is a pretty new partnership that hasn't gone much further than new suits below game being forcing and 4D is RKC. Would you suggest 3S as a fragment, or a possible entry, or some other meaning?

Presumably anything above 3NT agrees hearts, likely shortness but remotely a King.

In this specific auction, using 3♠ as a fragment allows Responder to check on the majors with 5-5 without bypassing 3NT. But, this seems less frequent than the more common "I have long hearts and possibly slam interest in your suit" issue. In that event, 3♠ as a call that advertises "more" makes some sense. Alternatively, 3♠ as a stopper would mean that 3Nt denies a spade stopper, which is somewhat related usually. This would carry a slight message, then, when Opener bypasses 3♠, of a possible club card that is unmentioned, or even a club suit.

If I had to pick, I'd go with Kx or a fragment for a 3♠ call, such that 3NT denies that much.

[Phil]

If I held 55 in the majors as responder, I would start with 3♠, not 3♥.

This is a WTP 3♥ and anything else is bizarre.I don't think I'm playing anything but 4/5♦ or 4♥ on this.

Over 3♥:

3♠ shows something in the suit for NT, but I think it can be an advance cue for hearts too and has no interest in 3N.

3N shows something in clubs.

4♣ should mean "I love hearts", although without discussion its probably a 2nd suit.

4♦ obviously is none of the above.

4♥ is a doubleton heart. I've actually discussed a similar auction with one of my regular partners and we agreed that a direct raise specifically shows doubleton support. With 3 card support, in this context we bid 4♣ over 3♥.

I cannot see how 4♦ after 3♠ or 3N is forcing. Maybe I am wrong about this.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

5D.

The alternative is 4D - which should be forcing, but the question is,
what this is supposed to extract from p.

The alternative to 3H is 5C - as long as you are sure, that this will
be interpreted as a splinter.

With kind regards
Marlowe