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ATB opps made game while we were cold for grand

Poll: ATB (17 member(s) have cast votes)

who could have done better?

  1. N (12 votes [70.59%])

    Percentage of vote: 70.59%

  2. S (1 votes [5.88%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.88%

  3. both (4 votes [23.53%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.53%

  4. none (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. good bid opps (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   andrei 

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Posted 2011-May-30, 15:57

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Posted 2011-May-30, 16:46

4NT by north instead of pass comes to mind...
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Posted 2011-May-30, 17:14

Uh, south's double is not penalty. North is very wrong to pass with a void.
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Posted 2011-May-31, 05:27

When partner doubles for takeout, don't pass with a void in their suit! I'm not 100% happy with South's Dbl, but North's pass is from outer space imo.
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Posted 2011-May-31, 05:51

Whether the double of 4♥ is penalty, takeout or card showing is a matter of partnership agreement.

That said, South should realize that North will leave in the double a good percentage of the time for lack of any practical alternative. So South should not double with 4-7 in the blacks.

I would bid 5♣ on the South hand. 4♠ could be right, but it is just not practical to look for it. If 5♣ is wrong, at least it won't be a disaster.

I blame South.
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Posted 2011-May-31, 06:16

I bet North just thought with the ♥ void that his/her partner was penalizing the opponents with a lot of trumps. Or something. Anyway I blame North, South did well to double (assuming the double not to be penalty).

If the 4♥ X is meant as penalty then South should have done something else.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2011-May-31, 08:28

I don't think I like either but the pass from N is clearly very bad.

I'm not accustomed to bidding strategies on 7-4 hands in competition with a void in partner's suit and a doubleton in opps' suit but I think double is OK with them, especially if 90% of hcps is in the 4 card suit.

So I think S bid well after all and N was very bad.
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Posted 2011-May-31, 08:52

Double by south seems right - what else? Introducing topless 7-card suits at the 5-level seems like losing bridge to me. Seems like north has an auto 4n if you're playing responsive-type doubles. If not, blame goes to the methods.
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Posted 2011-May-31, 13:07

View PostArtK78, on 2011-May-31, 05:51, said:

Whether the double of 4♥ is penalty, takeout or card showing is a matter of partnership agreement.

In principle yes, but playing penalty doubles here is just atrocious.
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Posted 2011-June-01, 18:37

North sitting with the hand shewn and passes.
then 4 hts -x by partner and passes again.
should not complain missing a grand......

north could bid 2n/t over 1 ht----
when it comes to southwhether east makes any
bid -south knows what to do -it will get you to 6 cl
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