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MP, red vs white, 2nd seat.
(3H)-?
KQJx
Jxx
K
AJxxx
easy double?
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Posted 2011-May-22, 17:26
If the red suits were reversed the double would be easy. As it is, it depends on the pair's style, how weak will partner re-open?
I think I'll double for it is the best way to reach 3NT if that's our contract, but I'll be really afraid of hearing 4♦ in front. Or redouble on my left. Or am I being too pessimistic?
I think I'll double for it is the best way to reach 3NT if that's our contract, but I'll be really afraid of hearing 4♦ in front. Or redouble on my left. Or am I being too pessimistic?
wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:
Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.
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Posted 2011-May-22, 17:42
At Imps or MP I pass. The only difference is whether 1 person or 3(5) people whose opinions I care about will disagree.
That, of course would be at the table. Here, I am interested in lots of views.
That, of course would be at the table. Here, I am interested in lots of views.
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Posted 2011-May-22, 17:54
Pass for me as well.
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Posted 2011-May-22, 19:15
Glad I'm not the only passer. Partner agreed with me too... switch the minors and it may be closer.
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Posted 2011-May-22, 20:37
I'd pass. I think this hand is just weak enough (and has enough hearts) that partner will usually reopen if we have a game.
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Posted 2011-May-23, 06:36
Easy dbl, yes. Then pull to 4♠ if pard bids 4♦.
Pass is ok too, as pard is likely to balance due to his short hearts if he has some cards.
Pass is ok too, as pard is likely to balance due to his short hearts if he has some cards.
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Posted 2011-May-23, 15:16
whereagles, on 2011-May-23, 06:36, said:
Easy dbl, yes. Then pull to 4♠ if pard bids 4♦.
Pass is ok too, as pard is likely to balance due to his short hearts if he has some cards.
Pass is ok too, as pard is likely to balance due to his short hearts if he has some cards.
And if you double and pull, what's your plan when you catch partner with some random 2362 hand and 4S gets doubled
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Posted 2011-May-23, 16:19
The plan is that pard bids 5♦ with that hand and we pass.
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Posted 2011-May-23, 16:31
Why would pard bid 5D? Your double and pull just described a hand that was too good to overcall 3S.
Something like
AKxxxx
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KJx
AKx
If partner doubled and bid 4S over my 4D, I'd leave it with 2 card support.
Something like
AKxxxx
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KJx
AKx
If partner doubled and bid 4S over my 4D, I'd leave it with 2 card support.
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Posted 2011-May-23, 17:47
dcohio, on 2011-May-23, 16:31, said:
Why would pard bid 5D? Your double and pull just described a hand that was too good to overcall 3S.
Something like
AKxxxx
x
KJx
AKx
Something like
AKxxxx
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KJx
AKx
It is becoming more common that high level auctions of the type "dbl + pull" don't show the traditional good 1-suiter but rather 45s with some extras.
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Posted 2011-May-23, 18:09
I can definitely see some upside in that, but it seems you would need to be pretty careful red v white.
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Posted 2011-May-24, 04:06
whereagles, on 2011-May-23, 17:47, said:
It is becoming more common that high level auctions of the type "dbl + pull" don't show the traditional good 1-suiter but rather 45s with some extras.
Wow, bridge must have been changed a lot since i been on the road i guess. I mean DBL+ pull at high level was suggesting that he can tolerate another suit and direct jump to 4♠ was 1 suited strong hand however required a very good suit. I guess not anymore....Dbl and then bidding your 4 card major at 4 level. Thats very new to me to be honest.
I guess u have to jump to 4♠ with this over 3♥ ... AQ7642 Axx void AKQx
Also good luck with pd guessing at 4 level which one is your 5 card suit.
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Posted 2011-May-24, 04:51
Look, with that hand you have to make a guess anyway. You can either...
- dbl and hope pard doesn't rebid diamonds
- bid 3♠ and hope pard can scrap a raise on an half-decent hand
- bid 4♠ and hope to play there undisturbed
Even if you use "dbl + pull" as big hand, pard won't know if you have a AQxxxx or AKQJxx for a suit anyway... preempts work.
- dbl and hope pard doesn't rebid diamonds
- bid 3♠ and hope pard can scrap a raise on an half-decent hand
- bid 4♠ and hope to play there undisturbed
Even if you use "dbl + pull" as big hand, pard won't know if you have a AQxxxx or AKQJxx for a suit anyway... preempts work.
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Posted 2011-May-24, 06:28
the problem with your approach, whereagles, is that partner doesn't know how many spades you have. Or do you usually have 4? in that case, eek, we forced to 4S on an unexceptional 15 count.
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Posted 2011-May-24, 06:49
I can not imagine making a take double with this hand. The hope that partner only bids 4D and not 5 which is quite possible. While not being able to be perfect over pre-empts is true, this is a far stretch as there is no safe landing spot. It would be wonderful to hear the bidding go re-dble and now partner who has 2-3-5-3 shape bids his 5 suit. The phrase will be WHERE is the EAGLE?
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Posted 2011-May-24, 13:38
I think if the minors were reversed, I would have doubled. Unfortunately with an uninspired 10ct (Qx of hearts) 4234 partner couldn't act and we missed 4S.
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Posted 2011-May-24, 14:28
Easy pass. It is an HCP trap. This hand defends well against H contracts and plays poorly facing many 10-11 HCP hands. If I really want to bid, I'd bid 3S.
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Posted 2011-May-24, 14:44
gwnn, on 2011-May-24, 06:28, said:
the problem with your approach, whereagles, is that partner doesn't know how many spades you have. Or do you usually have 4? in that case, eek, we forced to 4S on an unexceptional 15 count.
usually 4 or 5. you can't have it all... it's just a style; I don't have any strong opinions on it.
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Posted 2011-May-24, 14:46
mcphee, on 2011-May-24, 06:49, said:
I can not imagine making a take double with this hand. The hope that partner only bids 4D and not 5 which is quite possible. While not being able to be perfect over pre-empts is true, this is a far stretch as there is no safe landing spot. It would be wonderful to hear the bidding go re-dble and now partner who has 2-3-5-3 shape bids his 5 suit. The phrase will be WHERE is the EAGLE?
what's the point in bidding a 5 card suit if pard has 2 or less cards in it?? that hand bids 5♣ and hopes for the best.