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Five non-solid

Poll: Five non-solid (42 member(s) have cast votes)

It goes 1C-pass-1D, vulnerable against not, at IMPs. You have KJx K987x Q9x Jx. What do you do?

  1. Pass (22 votes [52.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 52.38%

  2. 1H (20 votes [47.62%])

    Percentage of vote: 47.62%

  3. Other (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   gnasher 

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Posted 2011-May-22, 04:40

Another uninteresting "interesting bridge hand"
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2011-May-22, 04:47

I'd bid 1H but doubt it matters much
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Posted 2011-May-22, 10:00

1H.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2011-May-22, 10:41

Pass. No real reason to direct partner to lead a rather than a .
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Posted 2011-May-22, 11:30

If partner has equal honours in both majors, say Qxxx(x) and Qx(x), which suit do you want him to lead?

Of course, there's more to consider than the lead directing aspect. We're much more likely to declare the hand if we overcall rather than pass. Would anyone like to be declarer with this mini notrump hand in a suit contract vulnerable against not?

View PostJLOGIC, on 2011-May-22, 04:47, said:

I'd bid 1H but doubt it matters much


Perhaps it won't make a difference to the result on this hand, but maybe next time when your heart suit is very good, you'll be disappointed when partner doesn't trust your overcall and prefers to lead his own suit.
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Posted 2011-May-22, 11:35

The lead-directing consequences of overcalls are over-empasized, IMO, compared to other goals. And, sometimes one gets to double a cue to suggest leading something else.
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Posted 2011-May-22, 13:16

Pass. I think it might matter a lot.

I don't want to dissuade partner from heading from a decent spade suit against NT in favor of a doubleton heart. I might regret this if partner is 3-3 in the majors of course, but then LHO might be rebidding 1.
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Posted 2011-May-22, 15:00

Pass for me. I don't particularly mind 1, but too balanced, too empty suit and too vulnerable.
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Posted 2011-May-22, 15:16

View PostJLOGIC, on 2011-May-22, 04:47, said:

I'd bid 1H but doubt it matters much

Heh. Coming off that great tourney where the results proved him right. Nearly all questionable overcalls and takeout doubles either didn't matter at all or gained for various reasons -- for all contestants.

This is not the reason they won. They did that by playing better than the opps over the long run.
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Posted 2011-May-22, 17:50

For what it is worth, if I knew that partner had 5 spades and 2 hearts, the opponents would buy the contract anyway and partner will be on lead, then I would not overcall 1H.

There are more reasons to overcall besides just asking for the lead. Maybe we have a game, maybe we have a partscore the opponents cannot bid over, or maybe my bid will help us on defense, perhaps by telling me not to lead a heart. Maybe partner raises to 2H and the opponents bid over that and get higher than they would had we been silent. As Justin has often said, there are a lot of good things that can happen after an overcall, and in my experience partnerships that often come in at the 1-level are tougher to play against.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2011-May-22, 21:40

Its not the suit quality that screams pass- its the vulnerable against not when partner has passed and opponents opened that screams pass. Opponents would be more inclined to double- nonspecific strength. They might just take their money and run.
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Posted 2011-May-22, 22:44

the last time they took the money and ran at the one-level was back when Patrick Henry was saying "give me liberty, or..."
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Posted 2011-May-23, 06:53

I think I'd pass... lousy suit and defensive hand. No real reason to butt-in here.
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Posted 2011-May-25, 03:04

1 = 10. _P = 9, _X = 5.
An overcall is fraught with danger but but less so, nowadays, in the era of support doubles and such like. The argument for sticking your neck out is that if you don't avail yourself of a the opportunity to make a low-level overcall, then partner likely to lead something else (not necessarily a bad thing here).
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Posted 2011-May-25, 07:49

I'd pass and I don't think it's close. We don't have a good suit, we don't necessarily want a lead, I don't think we have game because we don't have an offensive hand and both opps already bid, we don't want to tell opps how to play the hand, and I don't think opps will mess up that easily by bidding 1 and getting a raise (and if they'd stay at 2-level we can always balanced).
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