[manudude03]

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First of all, agree with double?
Assuming you do double, what do you bid now?

Partner is a BBO random as are opponents.
(pips may be wrong, board seems to be missing from hand records)

[whereagles]

If pard is a BBO random I'd just pass. I don't have a clue what he'll make of 2♥, which, even if it's natural to him, is an overbid.

[Fluffy]

I discussed with partner yesterday that 2♥ should be natural on this sequence since you only need 1 cuebid and that's 2♦.

I would bid 2♥ regardless.

This hand is the typical overcall + double instead of the double + overcall wich should be stronger.

[Hanoi5]

I haven't discussed this sequence with anyone so I'd support spades. I would have overcalled 1♥, so I wouldn't be in this predicament.

[mfa1010]

I don't like this at all. I think this is just a 1♥ bid. I try 2♥ now. Maybe guessing pass is better since partner might easily roll us over the edge after our overbidding, whether we try 2♥ or 1N. I'm not considering 2♠.

[Phil]

Overcalling on the prior round is 100% clear, although I would have different problem if I chose to.

I like the idea that 2♥ is natural, although at the table I would initially take it as stopper showing. What would I bid with something like Kx AQJ xxxx AKQx?

[Fluffy]

Phil, on 2011-May-18, 08:34, said:

Overcalling on the prior round is 100% clear, although I would have different problem if I chose to.

I like the idea that 2♥ is natural, although at the table I would initially take it as stopper showing. What would I bid with something like Kx AQJ xxxx AKQx?

The same you planed to bid had LHO passed I think.

[SimonFa]

manudude03, on 2011-May-18, 03:00, said:

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First of all, agree with double?
Assuming you do double, what do you bid now?

Partner is a BBO random as are opponents.
(pips may be wrong, board seems to be missing from hand records)

I'm obviously missing something here so another chance to learn


If I was your random partner, depending on your profile I would treat it as if I was playing with my regular partner:

- dbl shows opening points+ and support for the other 3 suits.

- 1♥ at least 4 card suit

- my 1♠likely to be my best suit and because it wasn't a raise I have 0-7 pts

- partners 2♥would be arguing after take out and show 17+ points but I would be rather perplexed at his ♥ bid and would have to read it as 5♥ so I would probably expect something like 3514 or even 3613 but wonder why he didn't just bid 1♥

Anyway, it would be an interesting ride home once I had seen his hand or maybe I would leave him to walk and contemplate the error of his ways on his own.

So that's my reading, what am I missing?

[manudude03]

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I'm pretty sure I had the vul wrong at the start, seem to recall it being +870. (East was dealer, put it in wrong on handviewer). Hands only an approximation, no proper record it seems.

[mfa1010]

SimonFa, on 2011-May-18, 13:53, said:

- partners 2♥would be arguing after take out and show 17+ points but I would be rather perplexed at his ♥ bid and would have to read it as 5♥ so I would probably expect something like 3514 or even 3613 but wonder why he didn't just bid 1♥

His sequence (X then 2♥) shows a hand too good for a 1♥ overcall. The thread consesus seems to be that the actual hand is a little too light for that.

[mfa1010]

manudude03, on 2011-May-18, 16:54, said:

+870

What a psycedelic double.

[JLOGIC]

2H is 100 % natural in this auction. You doubled and bid a suit, it does not matter if LHO has shown it or not.

[whereagles]

Not to mention he (LHO) may be psyching us out of hearts.

As a general rule, a cue of a suit bid by responder at the 1 level is natural.

[han]

2H should be natural here, but I would also have bid 1H.

[aguahombre]

Reinforced by success, South will continue to bid like this, and North will continue to stay out of his way.

Not the formula for long-term winning, but.....

[FrancesHinden]

JLOGIC, on 2011-May-18, 21:02, said:

2H is 100 % natural in this auction. You doubled and bid a suit, it does not matter if LHO has shown it or not.

This.

It is a nice simple rule: if you make a take-out double, and later bid a different suit, it is strong and natural. The only exception is if you could have doubled it for penalties.
Even if your opponents don't psyche, they still respond on Jxxx.


It's similar after you open 2C. If you want to avoid accidents, just stick to the rule that bids are natural until proven otherwise.
2C 2H P 2S

we play both 3H and 3S as strong single-suiters here.