[Hanoi5]

Red vs White, your cards:

♠832
♥A
♦AQ94
♣JT764

Pa-Pa-Pa-???

[gnasher]

I make it 11 with a stiff ace and a rebid problem. Some of the time that we're making a partscore, partner will carry us too high - I don't much want to hear 1♣-1♥;1NT-2NT. Against that, RHO didn't open in third seat at favourable, so we probably have a slight advantage in high cards.

I'd pass, but I wouldn't criticise an opening bid.

[rhm]

Hanoi5, on 2011-May-16, 04:47, said:

Red vs White, your cards:

♠832
♥A
♦AQ94
♣JT764

Pa-Pa-Pa-???

My experience has not been good with passing hands out, which I would open in any other position.
Rule of 15 does not apply to opening bids and I do not care very much for rebid problems.
Over a 1♥ response I would rebid 1♠.
Over 1♠ I pass, but show support if there is competition.
I do not expect my partners to jump to 2NT just because they have a maximum.

Rainer Herrmann

[CSGibson]

Hanoi5, on 2011-May-16, 04:47, said:

Red vs White, your cards:

♠832
♥A
♦AQ94
♣JT764

Pa-Pa-Pa-???

Pass. If they compete in either major, I'm not happy with myself for opening this.

[aguahombre]

rhm, on 2011-May-16, 06:39, said:

Rule of 15 does not apply to opening bids and I do not care very much for rebid problems.

Rainer Herrmann

If the title "fifteen" refers to Pearson point count, this one is one short; and it only applies to the choice of whether to open in fourth chair.

Opening the given hand 1C is unprepared. With the relative minor suit strengths I would open 1D, prepared to rebid 2C; but avoiding that by not opening at all with this 11-count seems best.

[Phil]

Pass.

[helene_t]

Pass. While I do open many rule-of-14 hands in 4th seat I don't normally do so with short hearts (if nobody has a spade fit they will outbid us in hearts).

[Fluffy]

I'd open this hand against aproximatelly 80%* of forum regulars at MPs, with 1♦ if my system allows me to. At IMPs I'd open only against 30%* or so.


*: Opening against the ones I qualify as weakest, passing against strongest.

Against my usual pponents in Spain I'd open always

[quiddity]

rhm, on 2011-May-16, 06:39, said:

Over a 1♥ response I would rebid 1♠.

I hope that someday I'll have this much faith in my declarer play.

[akhare]

Let's round it out with another Pass...

[pooltuna]

Hanoi5, on 2011-May-16, 04:47, said:

Red vs White, your cards:

♠832
♥A
♦AQ94
♣JT764

Pa-Pa-Pa-???

pass it out! You only have a Pearson count of 14 and a singleton ♥

[pooltuna]

rhm, on 2011-May-16, 06:39, said:

My experience has not been good with passing hands out, which I would open in any other position.
Rule of 15 does not apply to opening bids and I do not care very much for rebid problems.
Over a 1♥ response I would rebid 1♠.
Over 1♠ I pass, but show support if there is competition.
I do not expect my partners to jump to 2NT just because they have a maximum.

Rainer Herrmann

Run that by me again! why doesn't the Pearson count apply?

[gwnn]

pooltuna, on 2011-May-16, 10:53, said:

Run that by me again! why doesn't the Pearson count apply?

Because it's unreliable. It's been discredited for a while.

Not saying that I'd open it necessarily, but if I pass it out, it is not because of Pearson count.

[pooltuna]

gwnn, on 2011-May-16, 11:08, said:

Because it's unreliable. It's been discredited for a while.

Not saying that I'd open it necessarily, but if I pass it out, it is not because of Pearson count.

It is a guide!!!(In my experience it works fairly well) you not only have to look at your ♠ but how short are your ♥ without either major you are close to playing 3m if you open and is not clearly your side's hand.

[gwnn]

It is a guide but quite inaccurate. Inquiry made some serious statistical work a while ago and got to this conclusion.

[pooltuna]

gwnn, on 2011-May-16, 11:16, said:

It is a guide but quite inaccurate. Inquiry made some serious statistical work a while ago and got to this conclusion.

I would have to see the data and I am uninclined to search BBO. Plus I can only speak from my perspective. Pearson count is only the initial guide before I make a decision. A bad Pearson count and very short ♥ is a bad start if you are deciding to open.

[Bbradley62]

pooltuna, on 2011-May-16, 10:53, said:

Run that by me again! why doesn't the Pearson count apply?

I believe Rainer is saying that if he would open a hand in first seat, he opens it in fourth seat, regardless of Pearson Points. Suppose: -, AQxxx, Kxxx, Kxxx.

[gwnn]

I think it's this one:

http://www.bridgebas...d-distribution/

[han]

I think I'd pass. It's an 11-count and the opponents almost surely have a fit in a higher ranking suit than ours.

Saying that you open anything you'd open in earlier positions doesn't seem right to me. The situation is very different, so why should we bid the same? For example, if you open light in first and second, then that's exactly a reason not to open light in fourth.

Opening an "opening bid" in fourth seat regardless of the number of spades is of course quite sound, but you shouldn't read opening bid as "what I would open in first or second seat" if you open light. This is quite a light opening.

As fluffy points out, I would also open against weak opponents.

[pooltuna]

Bbradley62, on 2011-May-16, 11:37, said:

I believe Rainer is saying that if he would open a hand in first seat, he opens it in fourth seat, regardless of Pearson Points. Suppose: -, AQxxx, Kxxx, Kxxx.

AGAIN Pearson points are JUST A GUIDE. What would you do with Qx QJx KJxx KJxx?