[rduran1216]

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5D automatic?

[TWO4BRIDGE]

Good suit = 2 of the top 3 honors ... so you may lose a Diam .

Good hand = May have a Ht honor .... or maybe just 2 black Q's ... and you may lose 2 Hts.

Another way to look at a "Good hand" is 7 losers.

Responder's hand is 7 losers ... which adds up to just 10 tricks .

Edit: and 3NT seems out of the question ( with a Ht lead ) .

[ArtK78]

What you are saying is that responder should have passed 2♦, since no matter what response you got, you didn't want to play any contract higher than 2♦.

[kayin801]

I'd rather bid 3NT and gamble that they don't lead a heart.

If partner is solid then 5♦ is depending on partner's distribution and 3NT depends on them not running 5 hearts. If partner isn't solid then 5♦ and 3NT could both go down, but if partner has a good suit anyway then we have the additional chance in 3NT of 5 diamonds and 2 AKs if they can't run hearts on us or don't find that it's our weak spot.

5♦ of course has the additional chance of finding partner with the heart A or K, but getting a perfecto where partner has a good suit AND one of those cards is just as risky as trying 3NT IMO.

If OP opens pretty solidly in second seat, even when w/r, I don't think 2NT is a terrible call

[han]

kayin801, on 2011-May-07, 13:43, said:

I'd rather bid 3NT and gamble that they don't lead a heart.

Me too. Or that partner has a heart stop and we have 9 tricks. Or that hearts split 4-4.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

ArtK78:
"What you are saying is that responder should have passed 2♦, since no matter what response you got, you didn't want to play any contract higher than 2♦."

Exactly. Pass. But if Opps compete in Hts, raise to 3D.

[han]

I didn't realize that it was MPs. A direct raise to 3D may be best, else pass.

[gszes]

the real problem here is the 2n bid---this bid will never tell us
anything useful (unless p rebids 3n and we can gamble on
5d).

over 2d lets start with 3c
if p bids
3d we can now pass in comfort,
3h p showing extra values and "something" in hearts,
----(we can now bid 3s (p can bid 3n in comfort) or
----if p raises to 4s -probably very short in clubs- 4s might be best spot pass),
3s this has to be a 4 card major (surely not meant as stopper with with Qxx max) bid 4s,
3n near top both majors stopped might as well gamble and pass at least 3n is rightsided.
4c 3n obviously was never going to work so we have to convert
to 4d,
4h/4s (splinter) slam should be 5050 at best so just bid 5d hope you are not too high.
5c convert to 5d,

passing 2d is acceptable only when you have a very narrow interpretation of your weak 2's
and the interpretation is toward the low side (ie 5-8). 9-11 and pass is just too cowardly
especially if your p can have a side 4 card spade suit.

[rduran1216]

Our agreement was to play feature, so I was surely bidding 3NT over 3H. My p forgot what we were playing, but I was pretty sure it wasn't a feature in spades haha.

Question is should I sign off in 4D or bid 5?

[rhm]

I do not think 5♦ is automatic, nor is it terrible.
What I certainly dislike is 3NT. For 3NT to make ♦ must almost always play for no loser and even in this case you are still likely down on a ♥ lead.
Whether we have a loser in ♦ or not, 5♦ looks better. I also think a non ♥ lead is more likely against 5♦
At matchpooints I think I prefer 4♦ if understood as invitational. This can not be a sign off once you received the most favorable response to your 2NT inquiry.
However 4♦ might be taken as stronger than 5♦, in which case 5♦ would in deed be the best bid available.

Rainer Herrmann

[whereagles]

I would bid 5♦. At worse it's on a finesse, say,

xx
Kxx
KQJxxx
xx

If pard were receiving the lead in NT, I would bid 3NT instead. But, as it is, I prefer to play in diamonds.

[gnasher]

If partner's 3♠ bid showed a spade feature, I think you should play him for a spade feature. Isn't Q109 xx AQJxxx xx a possibility?

[whereagles]

gnasher, I think 3♠ was ogust. Doesn't have anything to do with spades; xx being about as possible as QTx.

[gnasher]

whereagles, on 2011-May-19, 08:59, said:

gnasher, I think 3♠ was ogust. Doesn't have anything to do with spades; xx being about as possible as QTx.

rduran1216 said:

Our agreement was to play feature, so I was surely bidding 3NT over 3H. My p forgot what we were playing, but I was pretty sure it wasn't a feature in spades haha.