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He doubles then bids What do you bid?

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Posted 2011-May-15, 13:51

White vs Red, you deal and hold:

♠T8x
♥QJx
♦J7x
♣7632

Pa-1♦-X-Pa
1♥-Pa-1♠-Pa
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Do you agree with 1♥? What do you bid now?

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2011-May-15, 14:13

(i) No.
(ii) I pass. Double-then-bid at the 1-level doesn't show a 2C opening, and that's pretty much what we need to make game.
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Posted 2011-May-15, 14:31

I'd bid 2♠. Something like ♠AKxxxx ♥Kxx ♦x ♣AKx will offer good play for game, and I don't think that's even necessarily a maximum for partner's sequence.
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Posted 2011-May-15, 14:32

Is 2♣ better than 1♥?

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


 rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

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Posted 2011-May-15, 15:13

Personally i would have bid 2♣ on the first round and now i bid 2 ♠. I dont know what prd has and i dont care, if s/he bids like that my duty is to tell i have trump support.
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Posted 2011-May-15, 17:05

I would have bid 2♣, I don't like distorting major suits. I don't mind playing in a 4-2 fit every now and again.

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Posted 2011-May-15, 18:36

I agree with bid 1♥ and then pass 1♠.
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Posted 2011-May-15, 20:10

No!, pass
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Posted 2011-May-15, 21:12

I would bid 2♣, and pass the ♠.
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Posted 2011-May-16, 01:50

View Postawm, on 2011-May-15, 14:31, said:

I'd bid 2♠. Something like ♠AKxxxx ♥Kxx ♦x ♣AKx will offer good play for game, and I don't think that's even necessarily a maximum for partner's sequence.


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Posted 2011-May-16, 03:56

Is this one likely:

AKxxxx
x
ATx
AKx

Or this one:

♠AKxxxx
♥Ax
♦ATx
♣AQ

They led a diamond (normal) and spades were 2-2, one of the round-suits finesses was right, making 5.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2011-May-16, 04:17

1♠ is a very big underbid.
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Posted 2011-May-16, 04:42

I think a 1H bid is pretty obvious on the first round. I pass now.
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Posted 2011-May-16, 11:30

View PostHanoi5, on 2011-May-15, 13:51, said:

White vs Red, you deal and hold:

♠T8x
♥QJx
♦J7x
♣7632

Pa-1♦-X-Pa
1♥-Pa-1♠-Pa
???

Do you agree with 1♥? What do you bid now?


I pass because partner had multiple choices of calls over 1♥. viz 2♦, 2♠, 3♠, besides the call he chose. So yeah he has extra values but not enough extras for me to look for game with my hand
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Posted 2011-May-16, 11:32

View Postgwnn, on 2011-May-16, 04:17, said:

1♠ is a very big underbid.


This is an understatement :)
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Posted 2011-May-16, 14:01

1- I like 1H lead consideration are important here.

2- its much easier to construct hands where 2S is going down than hands where game is making. So pass is clear.

AKQJx with 2A or AK with and stiff ou xx in H.


I would bid 2S with both hands showned not close imo. I can bid 1S pretty heavy if i got 5 of them with with 6 i feel safe at 2S, also when partner got Qx,xxxx,xxx,QTxx I dont want to play 1S making 6.
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Posted 2011-May-16, 14:08

View PostHanoi5, on 2011-May-16, 03:56, said:

Is this one likely:

AKxxxx
x
ATx
AKx

Or this one:

♠AKxxxx
♥Ax
♦ATx
♣AQ

They led a diamond (normal) and spades were 2-2, one of the round-suits finesses was right, making 5.


The first one is possible but a maximum for 1S.
The second is not a 1S bid, what do you think a 2S bid looks like? You've got 3S available if you want to show an even stronger hand.
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Posted 2011-May-16, 15:11

View PostFrancesHinden, on 2011-May-16, 14:08, said:

The first one is possible but a maximum for 1S.
The second is not a 1S bid, what do you think a 2S bid looks like? You've got 3S available if you want to show an even stronger hand.


For me I'd bid 2C then pass 1S - balanced 4 counts aren't all that great to be honest :)

These hands are MASSIVE for 1S. I'd expect something like a decent 14 count to a bad 17 count for 1S. With the first hand I'd probably bid 2S; with the second, cuebid then bid spades. 21 HCP! Not to mention the CQ is almost worth a full trick on the bidding.

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Posted 2011-May-16, 18:58

Decent 14 aint possible IMO and not bad 16 either. Both of those cases prd; at least mine, bids 1 ♠ immediately.
My biggest fear is that he has some big 2 suiter. Pass over 1 ♠ in this sequence shows mistrust to prds bidding; wheter it in this particular case is right or not.
With doubleton ♠, maybe, but not with 3 card support.
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Posted 2011-May-17, 06:28

The point of deviation 1H (only 3-suit) was to get out cheap.
Aren't we out cheap by pass? Did partner have stronger bid(s)?
He chose 2S. Quit.
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