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Garbage Stayman What can opener do?

#1 User is offline   Hanoi5 

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Posted 2011-May-11, 06:52

You open, red vs white:

♠QT2
♥A72
♦AQ2
♣K862

1NT-2♣
2♦-2♥
???

How often do you scramble with 5-4/4-5 in the Majors?

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

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Posted 2011-May-11, 06:59

Just make an agreement. Don't scramble with both 5=4 and 4=5.
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Posted 2011-May-11, 08:01

View PostHanoi5, on 2011-May-11, 06:52, said:

You open, red vs white:

♠QT2
♥A72
♦AQ2
♣K862

1NT-2♣
2♦-2♥
???

How often do you scramble with 5-4/4-5 in the Majors?

With a weak 4s/5h, Responder just transfers to ♥ and forgets about Spades.

With a weak 4/4 or 5s/4h, Responder bids Stayman.
Then after:
1NT - 2C
2D - 2H
??
The "rules" are:
Opener bids 2S with equal length ( 3/3 ) or longer ♠ ( 3s/2h );
... OR passes with 2s/3h

On this hand, Opener bids 2S.
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Posted 2011-May-11, 08:16

We always bid 2S with equal length so that opener can be declarer as often as possible. This means that we often transfer with 4-5 in the majors.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2011-May-12, 01:46

View Posthan, on 2011-May-11, 08:16, said:

We always bid 2S with equal length so that opener can be declarer as often as possible. This means that we often transfer with 4-5 in the majors.

Same here. With 5♥-4♠ we transfer, with 5♠-4♥ we start with stayman. It's a simple agreement and it's good enough most of the time.
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Posted 2011-May-12, 04:27

View Postcherdano, on 2011-May-11, 06:59, said:

Just make an agreement. Don't scramble with both 5=4 and 4=5.


Actually, I do have an agreement to always scramble with a 54/45. Pard made me do it lol. Had to mess up the whole system, though.
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Posted 2011-May-12, 04:47

I once saw on vugraph Zia-Hamman scrambling with 5-4 and opener passing with 2-2 so they played in a 2-4 fit. To be fair it was in the very early days of their partnership.
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Posted 2011-May-12, 20:50

2♥ sd be passed since 2♥ no forcing just show ♠4/♥5 with no more than inv hcp.
IF bid 3♥/♠ that's smolen with 4♥5♠/4♠5♥ GF.
IF with inv hand 54 majors bid 2N again if pd accept inv to a game wd bid 3cards major when u hv 5 raise to 4M or bid 3N.
IF with inv- hand just bid 5 cards major pd sd pass it.
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Posted 2011-May-16, 01:45

The other reason for scrambling with equal shape is allow a garbage with 3415/3406- if opener pass 2H hes got 2S+3H and 2H will play well enough with 3/3 or 3/2 he will bid 2S and you have a 2nd shot at 3C.
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