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dealing with pre-empts #85135

Poll: dealing with pre-empts #85135 (15 member(s) have cast votes)

What's your call

  1. Pass (0 votes [0.00%])

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  2. Double (11 votes [73.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 73.33%

  3. 5NT (0 votes [0.00%])

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  4. 6C (4 votes [26.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.67%

  5. Other (0 votes [0.00%])

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#1 User is offline   manudude03 

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Posted 2011-May-18, 03:11



What's your call here? Strong opponents, unknown partner but is known by opps and seems to be playing well.
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Posted 2011-May-18, 03:31

Dbl. If pard bids spades, pull to 6. You only need the spade king and a bit of luck to make it.

If pard passes the dbl, so much the better.
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Posted 2011-May-18, 05:02

I will stick to Nuno's plan as well, passing 5 is also an option but partner miht lack the entries needed to draw trumps and make it anyway, so go for a bigger bonus.
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Posted 2011-May-18, 06:41

I chose double but if partner passes I'm gonna feel pretty bad till I see we have no slam. This is a hand where bidding 6 could turn into a real disaster or a call to the Director and a scandal. I want to bid 6, but it might just be too much, 5NT might fetch 6 from partner but both these calls have some merit though. I'm not playing 5 if that's what partner bids but really, would partner bid with only two kings at this level? I regret the double everytime I think about it.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the 3.


 rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

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Posted 2011-May-18, 08:05

why X 5 when you can X 6 bid 6 and make them take insurance :)
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Posted 2011-May-18, 08:08

Dejavu, Justin?
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Posted 2011-May-18, 11:06

View PostHanoi5, on 2011-May-18, 06:41, said:

5NT might fetch 6 from partner but both these calls have some merit though. I'm not playing 5 if that's what partner bids but really, would partner bid with only two kings at this level? I regret the double everytime I think about it.

Your partner is forbidden to bid 6!, here is how 2 places to play works: You promise 2 places, and he must pick another 2. He bids his lowest pick, and you pass or correct. The lowest possible strain he picks cannot be spades.
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Posted 2011-May-18, 13:20

View PostHanoi5, on 2011-May-18, 06:41, said:

I chose double but if partner passes I'm gonna feel pretty bad till I see we have no slam. This is a hand where bidding 6 could turn into a real disaster or a call to the Director and a scandal. I want to bid 6, but it might just be too much, 5NT might fetch 6 from partner but both these calls have some merit though. I'm not playing 5 if that's what partner bids but really, would partner bid with only two kings at this level? I regret the double everytime I think about it.

For my education could you explain why 6 would be disaster a call to the Director and a scandal, please?

Thanks in advance,

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Posted 2011-May-18, 13:28

View PostSimonFa, on 2011-May-18, 13:20, said:

For my education could you explain why 6 would be disaster a call to the Director and a scandal, please?

Thanks in advance,

Simon


This is a reference to a hand which occurred in last year's Spingold which caused a major scandal on these Fora and in the Bridge community in general. Without getting into the persons involved, in direct seat over a preempt a player jumped to slam in a 4-card suit rather than his near-solid 6-card suit. It turned out that the slam in the 4-card suit was cold (and virtually unbiddable) and the slam in the 6-card suit had no play. Ever since then, a number of posters (myself included) have commented about the possibility of jumping to slam in a 4-card suit whenever a remotely similar situation presented itself on these Fora.
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Posted 2011-May-18, 13:28

its an old forum joke Simon, if you have luck, some guy with no name, or perhaps another will find you the post with the history
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Posted 2011-May-18, 15:05

Thanks.I thought I was missing something about UI or similar.
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Posted 2011-May-18, 16:44

If you need to read more about that joke:

http://www.bridgebas...40621-good-bid/


Anyway on this board, 6H makes..... but so does 6C (and 7C). Partner's hand is QJ9xxx Kxxx void xxx. I bid 6C which was passed out.
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Posted 2011-May-18, 18:33

View Postmanudude03, on 2011-May-18, 16:44, said:

Partner's hand is QJ9xxx Kxxx void xxx. I bid 6C...

I think that is very reasonable, but to be fair doubling should work also. Partner should take it out to 5 with his decent hand and a diamond void. We would then convert to 6.
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Posted 2011-May-19, 04:29

View Postmfa1010, on 2011-May-18, 18:33, said:

I think that is very reasonable, but to be fair doubling should work also. Partner should take it out to 5 with his decent hand and a diamond void. We would then convert to 6.

And over 6 he...

I think I'd pass, but I don't find 6 unreasonable, 6 is not very appealing but also crosses my mind.

Spades produce discards for slow heart losers, that's the reason why I'd pass 6.
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