[TWO4BRIDGE]

North Dealer
( opps silent )

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[mike777]

maybe:


1c=1d
3s(spl.)=4h(rkc in d)
5nt(2 with void)=7d

[ahydra]

mike777's sequence seems perfect - although I don't play kickback, 4NT works just as well here.

I'm still not sure how to value cards in the splintered suit on hands like these - KJxx seems an awful waste, but the key point here is that you have a 10 card diamond fit and that means ruffs, ruffs, ruffs. Not to mention the CQ is gonna be a very useful card now that partner opened clubs and showed a strong hand.

ahydra

[TWO4BRIDGE]

As much as I luv splinters, what is the reasoning for opener to NOT rebid 1♥ ?

Couldn't Responder have 4 cards Hts too ?

[Cascade]

 TWO4BRIDGE, on 2011-April-24, 19:34, said:

As much as I luv splinters, what is the reasoning for opener to NOT rebid 1♥ ?

Couldn't Responder have 4 cards Hts too ?

Do you bid up-the-line?

Even if partner could have hearts with both opponents silent partner is an overwhelming favourite to have spades.

I would be happy to give up on the slim chance of a better heart spot and raise diamonds immediately.

[JLOGIC]

I like 3S also if playing a style where partner only bids 1D with a 4 card major if he has a GF hand. We are just very likely to have a slam if partner has 4 hearts in that case.

[dake50]

As the question is "How to get to 7D?" mike777 works.
What if the question is 7S? 7H? or 7D? or 7NT? Even avoiding failing grand?
The hand fits that bidding because no H:4-4?
Or somewhere no H:4-4 was shown?

[TWO4BRIDGE]

 TWO4BRIDGE, on 2011-April-24, 19:34, said:

As much as I luv splinters, what is the reasoning for opener to NOT rebid 1♥ ?

Couldn't Responder have 4 cards Hts too ?

JLOGIC: "I like 3S also if playing a style where partner only bids 1D with a 4 card major if he has a GF hand. We are just very likely to have a slam if partner has 4 hearts in that case."

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North South
1C - 1D
3S! - ??

[Cascade]

 TWO4BRIDGE, on 2011-April-25, 01:36, said:

JLOGIC: "I like 3S also if playing a style where partner only bids 1D with a 4 card major if he has a GF hand. We are just very likely to have a slam if partner has 4 hearts in that case."

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North South
1C - 1D
3S! - ??

Sure this can happen but it is a very unlikely layout.

The opponents have ten spades and neither bid. Sure they don't have many points but there are many players who don't let the lack of high cards disrupt them from mentioning the boss suit.

[Fluffy]

This wouldn't happen to me, I only bid 1♦ (or 1♠ transfer in my case) with a 4 card major when I have 2 suiter, With balanced hand start with the major.

[1eyedjack]

 TWO4BRIDGE, on 2011-April-25, 01:36, said:

JLOGIC: "I like 3S also if playing a style where partner only bids 1D with a 4 card major if he has a GF hand. We are just very likely to have a slam if partner has 4 hearts in that case."

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North South
1C - 1D
3S! - ??

I think South has an automatic 3N bid in this example. Perhaps the more interesting decision is North's next call?

[Cascade]

 1eyedjack, on 2011-April-25, 03:24, said:

I think South has an automatic 3N bid in this example. Perhaps the more interesting decision is North's next call?

Sure the ♠KJ suggest NTs however he does have 10 working points when he might have had close to none.

[mike777]

 TWO4BRIDGE, on 2011-April-24, 19:34, said:

As much as I luv splinters, what is the reasoning for opener to NOT rebid 1♥ ?

Couldn't Responder have 4 cards Hts too ?

Pard cannot have 4h or 4s unless they have 5+ d and a game force hand.

[mike777]

 TWO4BRIDGE, on 2011-April-25, 01:36, said:

JLOGIC: "I like 3S also if playing a style where partner only bids 1D with a 4 card major if he has a GF hand. We are just very likely to have a slam if partner has 4 hearts in that case."

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North South
1C - 1D
3S! - ??

again no partner cannot have this hand.

also the opp have ten spades and never bid.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

 mike777, on 2011-April-25, 13:18, said:

Pard [ Responder ] cannot have 4h or 4s unless they have 5+ d and a game force hand.

Am I the only one who will have Responder with 4/4 in the reds and GF values bid ♦ first; whereas, will bid ♥ first with less than GF values -- even with longer ♦ .

 TWO4BRIDGE, on 2011-April-25, 01:36, said:

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The way I see this one:
North South
1C - 1D
1H - 2H ( GF as per MrAce's logic: bids ♦ first with GF 4h/4+d )
3S!( splinter ) - 4H
pass

[mike777]

Ya Walsh puts the majors and nt ahead of the minors. And yes that means the diamond suit can get lost or at least makes it more difficult to back into diamonds.

As far as your last auction here, ok but it will be a bit more complicated if the opp bid their ten card spade fit.

Also on your last auction you never gave pard a chance to support diamonds if you had longer d. It sounds like the south hand is unbalanced when it is very b alanced but if that does not bother you ok.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

 mike777, on 2011-April-25, 13:51, said:

Ya Walsh puts the majors and nt ahead of the minors. And yes that means the diamond suit can get lost or at least makes it more difficult to back into diamonds.

As far as your last auction here, ok but it will be a bit more complicated if the opp bid their ten card spade fit.

Also on your last auction you never gave pard a chance to support diamonds if you had longer d. It sounds like the south hand is unbalanced when it is very b alanced but if that does not bother you ok.

I never mentioned the "W"-word.
I guess I play a modified Walsh.

Here is a delayed Diam-support auction for the original hand:

 TWO4BRIDGE, on 2011-April-24, 16:27, said:

North Dealer
( opps silent )

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North South
1C - 1D
1H - 1S! ( must be GF w/ or w/o 4♠ )
2D* - 3D ( 5+♦ )
3H ( cue ) - 3S ( cue )
4C ( cue ) - 4D! ( Minorwood )
5D! ( 2 + must be ♠ void ) - 7D ( known 10 card ♦ fit )
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* 2D = must be 4 cards: either 1 4 4 4 or 0 4 4 5
Opener would not bid 2D with only 3 cards ♦ since Responder might have only 4.

[bonxie]

It seems clear that an immediate splinter makes things easy but as many others have noted that is resulting of the first order, North cannot rule out hearts, so bidding will always start

1♣ - 1♦
1♥ -

Also why is everyone assuming North has the ♣K?

Would the bidding not be identical if North's hand was

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If you ace ask via Minorwood / 4♥ then there is room for a king ask after 5♦
but there is no such room over Blackwood.

So I like TWO4BRIDGES's auction with the addition of a specific king ask before committing to 7♦

[gnasher]

1♣-1♦
1♥-3♦ (forcing)
4♠-5♦ (Exclusion)
7♦

[gnasher]

 TWO4BRIDGE, on 2011-April-25, 01:36, said:

JLOGIC: "I like 3S also if playing a style where partner only bids 1D with a 4 card major if he has a GF hand. We are just very likely to have a slam if partner has 4 hearts in that case."

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North South
1C - 1D
3S! - ??

So we get to 6♦ instead of 6♥. Seems a good idea to me.