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$#!% suit but lots of goodies

Poll: $#!% suit (47 member(s) have cast votes)

Your call:

  1. 1S (21 votes [44.68%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 44.68%

  2. X (25 votes [53.19%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 53.19%

  3. Other (1 votes [2.13%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 2.13%

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#1 User is offline   kayin801 

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Posted 2011-April-28, 15:26



Nothing special about righty's 1.

If you vote 1, what would you change to make this a X to start?
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Posted 2011-April-28, 15:34

1s max

maybe a little better spade honors or change a Q to a K.
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Posted 2011-April-28, 17:34

1, planning on bidding 2 next. I need better honors to double.
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Posted 2011-April-28, 18:58

I'd double. The suit is not good but I don't want to mis-state the strength of my hand. Doubling will usually show me partner's range in HCP's.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the 3.


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Posted 2011-April-28, 19:14

I don't think this can be answered with conviction out of context. For us, doubling then bidding a suit suggests doubt about what trump should be, and we would have to be prepared to bid game all by ourselves or keep bidding spades til pard gives up to double first with 6+ spades.

The heavy 1S overcall seems fine on this hand.
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Posted 2011-April-28, 19:29

Too strong for 1S for me :( Just Axxx with partner and we have a good chance of 4S.

Maybe double and bid NT is an option if partner does not show spades.
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Posted 2011-April-28, 20:09

1.
Swap the black 10 and Q and I'll double.
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Posted 2011-April-28, 20:10

We have too much to overcall 1S, we have a fine 18 count with an extra spade with almost no chance of the auction going out of control, since we hold spades. Overcalling 1S leaves you in a bad position to show your hand or judge what to do in lots of common scenarios.
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Posted 2011-April-28, 20:50

Supermax 1S, but still 6 losers, and while we expect red-suit finesses to work we need entries to take them. Axxx in spades may well be only one entry.

Most 18s I would be willing to double. Here I am swayed by the Qx in clubs as well as the less than solid spades.
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Posted 2011-April-28, 20:54

View Postrogerclee, on 2011-April-28, 20:10, said:

with almost no chance of the auction going out of control, since we hold spades.


This isn't clear to me; it seems that after some very simple auctions like
1 X 2NT P 3
1 X (mixed raise) P 3
we have a problem.
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Posted 2011-April-29, 21:00

Partner had something like A, xxxx, Kxxx, xxxx, and my 1S overcall didn't get any higher bidders. I made 4 when they led a heart and spades split 3-3. Obviously this isn't a fantastic 4S contract or anything, but I was just curious as to what people would do with this hand.
I once yelled at my partner for discarding the 'wrong' card when he was subjected to a squeeze that I allowed by giving the wrong count with too high a card. Now he's allowed to pitch aces when the opponents have the king in the dummy. At trick 2. When he could have followed suit. And blame me.

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Posted 2011-April-29, 21:00

I'd double. We can usually control the auction with a hand like this.
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Posted 2011-April-30, 05:34

Double. We don't seem to have a tough rebid. After 4 I double again...
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Posted 2011-April-30, 06:41

Worth a double. Slightly too good to overcall 1. The sixth spade adds a lot to the hand.
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Posted 2011-April-30, 07:47

I doubled, but I have to agree that it is borderline. I would not object strongly to 1S.
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Posted 2011-April-30, 08:30

Kx instead of Qx is a clear x I think. Like this probably 1 is enough.
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Posted 2011-April-30, 10:01

View Postaguahombre, on 2011-April-28, 19:14, said:

For us, doubling then bidding a suit suggests doubt about what trump should be, and we would have to be prepared to bid game all by ourselves or keep bidding spades til pard gives up to double first with 6+ spades.


This earlier quote ended up to be a good prediction of how a pair might end up in the spade game opposite the given hand. Now that we know the spades are 3-3, double looks better :rolleyes:

X-2D
2S-3C
3S-4S (having shown zero thus far in her range of 0-8)

Opposite many other holdings, and opponents' holdings, the first five of the six calls might not have as good a result.
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Posted 2011-April-30, 11:45

I don't play a simple new suit "rebid" (by doubler) following a double to be forcing opposite an advancer who did not promise anything. Sure it is very strong, and this hand is minimum in terms of suit quality. But at the end of the day it remains limited to about this strength (unless I jump rebid or cue following the double). My point is that I may well have stopped short of a game that makes on some lucky breaks on this hand despite having started with a double.
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Posted 2011-April-30, 11:57

N0, double then 2S is not forcing, but partner with 4-4 in the minors and only one spade....opposite a doubler in a style where X, then suit, shows doubt about trump....will bid 3C whether she has any strength or not.
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Posted 2011-April-30, 12:50

I'd bid 1S.
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