[rduran1216]

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What now?

[nige1]

rduran1216, on 2011-April-27, 18:44, said:

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What now?

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IMO _X = 10, 3♦ = 9, 3♠ = 5. Double may cause problems later. But if partner can convert to penalties, Armageddon.

[pooltuna]

rduran1216, on 2011-April-27, 18:44, said:

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What now?

Stop playing NFB and call 3♦

[aguahombre]

I have no idea how your forcing club system comes into play, here. But I really hate making negative doubles with g.f. values and 11 cards in the other two suits.

So, 3D forcing is fine.

[kayin801]

3♦, 3♠ then 4♠ should show this hand over the expected 3♥ response, and 4♠ over 3NT should also show it.

I would rather bid 3♠ than X, X is awwwwwwwwwwwful. I have some fondness for 3♠ but we're putting a lot more pressure on partner that way since he may have no good rebid (next cheapest bid is 3NT!) and there's no chance of showing the diamonds.

[tolvyrj]

3 ♦ as forcing bid? Is there a possibility that its not forcing ? Why would anyone make a 3 level non forcing bid over a pre-empt?
Then ♠ and ♠ again if i have to.

[dake50]

As I play X->Diamonds (or strong to show later), I try that.
Partner may trust my 2++DT for Double and convert.
Partner may have no directing bid so 3D, now 3S shows 2-suiter GF.
Partner may have solid Hearts and Key-ask.

[rduran1216]

We are not playing negative free bids.

The problem from my perspective is, if I bid 3D, and partner bids 3NT I'm at a total guess about whether to leave it in our best spot, or to bid 4S knowing full well partner may be 2533. If I bid 3S and partner bids 3NT, then I can bid 4D as some kind of slam try in diamonds. If I double and partner bids 3H, then do I bid 3S? could partner pass this on a bad 10 without us playing nfb?

I mean whats the best plan here?

[rogerclee]

If you agree that there is no intelligent way to decide if 3N is the right contract (you should), and that it's probably not the right contract (you should), then you should just bid in such a way that describes your hand without worrying about stopping in 3N.

[JLOGIC]

It's very tough to bid my longest suit in a forcing way with a GF hand

[rduran1216]

rogerclee, on 2011-April-28, 01:26, said:

If you agree that there is no intelligent way to decide if 3N is the right contract (you should), and that it's probably not the right contract (you should), then you should just bid in such a way that describes your hand without worrying about stopping in 3N.

Well its MP in a subpar field. So if I pattern out correctly and we end up in 5D, while others are stopping in 3NT for 630, we get a zero for being in the safer contract. My main dilemma is whether to bid 3D and bid 4S over 3NT, or to just bid 3S and pass 3NT. Is it worth it at MP to give up on what would be a magic 6D for a better chance at deciding between 4S and 3NT. Is this bad?

[JLOGIC]

Why do we have to reach a "magic 6D" for bidding 3D to be right? As far as I know, we are not cold for 630 opposite a club stopper. Maybe getting to 5D making instead of going down in 3N will be good enough.

More importantly, what are you doing over 1H (3C) 3S (p) 4H? I suppose you are endplayed into passing, but again it's easy to see how playing diamonds rather than 4H will usually be right.

And why would making 6D be so magic? We need, like, nothing in order for this to happen.

[nige1]

rduran1216, on 2011-April-28, 01:21, said:

We are not playing negative free bids.
The problem from my perspective is, if I bid 3D, and partner bids 3NT I'm at a total guess about whether to leave it in our best spot, or to bid 4S knowing full well partner may be 2533. If I bid 3S and partner bids 3NT, then I can bid 4D as some kind of slam try in diamonds. If I double and partner bids 3H, then do I bid 3S? could partner pass this on a bad 10 without us playing nfb? I mean whats the best plan here?

IMO, after
1♥ (3♣) 3♦ (_P)
3N (_P) ??
- 4♠ = 10. _P = 5. (You chose to bid rather than double so that you could explore pointy games/slams).

[Hanoi5]

I like doubling with these hands and cuebidding if partner rebids his suit or NT.

[Phil]

JLOGIC, on 2011-April-28, 02:28, said:

Why do we have to reach a "magic 6D" for bidding 3D to be right? As far as I know, we are not cold for 630 opposite a club stopper. Maybe getting to 5D making instead of going down in 3N will be good enough.

More importantly, what are you doing over 1H (3C) 3S (p) 4H? I suppose you are endplayed into passing, but again it's easy to see how playing diamonds rather than 4H will usually be right.

And why would making 6D be so magic? We need, like, nothing in order for this to happen.

And many times if partner has the diamond card + a double club stopper, partner can bid 4N.

[han]

Yeah I'll be really happy if partner bids 4NT.

[whereagles]

JLOGIC, on 2011-April-28, 01:44, said:

It's very tough to bid my longest suit in a forcing way with a GF hand

Except that your "game" has stronger-than-usual likelyhood of going down, but hey I'd bid 3♠ so I can't complain much

[Phil]

han, on 2011-April-28, 10:57, said:

Yeah I'll be really happy if partner bids 4NT.

You should be happy. You've described your hand perfectly and partner has placed the contract.

bridge is easy.

[mfa1010]

I agree with the majority. 3♦ then spades. Burying the diamonds would be severe matchpointitis.