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Law 45C Order of precedence
#21
Posted 2011-April-25, 17:43
David Stevenson
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Merseyside England UK
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Currently at home
Visiting IBLF from time to time
<webjak666@gmail.com>
#22
Posted 2011-April-25, 17:54
bluejak, on 2011-April-25, 17:43, said:
I am sorry, you have lost me.
From Law 49:
or when a defender names a card as being in his hand, each such card becomes a penalty card (Law 50)
When a defender designates one card and then is allowed to change his designation. Do you apply Law 49 on the withdrawn designation and in case how?
#23
Posted 2011-April-26, 08:38
No, of course not. He has not named a card as being in his hand so Law 49 is irrelevant.
You are allowed to change a designation is it was unintended. So, if you bid 3♠ but intended 3♥ you are allowed [subject to other considerations] to change it to 3♥. You have not bid 3♠, you never intended 3♠, and the unintended 3♠ 'bid' has no informational content.
Similarly if you designate the ♠3 to be played but intended the ♥3 you are allowed [subject to other considerations] to change it to the ♥3. You have not played the ♠3, you never intended the ♠3, and the unintended ♠3 'designation' has no informational content, and may or may not be in the hand.
You are allowed to change a designation is it was unintended. So, if you bid 3♠ but intended 3♥ you are allowed [subject to other considerations] to change it to 3♥. You have not bid 3♠, you never intended 3♠, and the unintended 3♠ 'bid' has no informational content.
Similarly if you designate the ♠3 to be played but intended the ♥3 you are allowed [subject to other considerations] to change it to the ♥3. You have not played the ♠3, you never intended the ♠3, and the unintended ♠3 'designation' has no informational content, and may or may not be in the hand.
David Stevenson
Merseyside England UK
EBL TD
Currently at home
Visiting IBLF from time to time
<webjak666@gmail.com>
Merseyside England UK
EBL TD
Currently at home
Visiting IBLF from time to time
<webjak666@gmail.com>
#24
Posted 2011-April-26, 09:34
bluejak, on 2011-April-26, 08:38, said:
No, of course not. He has not named a card as being in his hand so Law 49 is irrelevant.
You are allowed to change a designation is it was unintended. So, if you bid 3♠ but intended 3♥ you are allowed [subject to other considerations] to change it to 3♥. You have not bid 3♠, you never intended 3♠, and the unintended 3♠ 'bid' has no informational content.
Similarly if you designate the ♠3 to be played but intended the ♥3 you are allowed [subject to other considerations] to change it to the ♥3. You have not played the ♠3, you never intended the ♠3, and the unintended ♠3 'designation' has no informational content, and may or may not be in the hand.
You are allowed to change a designation is it was unintended. So, if you bid 3♠ but intended 3♥ you are allowed [subject to other considerations] to change it to 3♥. You have not bid 3♠, you never intended 3♠, and the unintended 3♠ 'bid' has no informational content.
Similarly if you designate the ♠3 to be played but intended the ♥3 you are allowed [subject to other considerations] to change it to the ♥3. You have not played the ♠3, you never intended the ♠3, and the unintended ♠3 'designation' has no informational content, and may or may not be in the hand.
Thanks, I think that clears up the last questions that have occurred in this thread.