[jetkro]

The scoring was IMP's and no one was vulnerable. Dealer East.

East: 2S ( weak )
South: 3H
West : 3S
North: 4H
East : 4S

I would like to know if the N/S players are now in a forcing pass auction.

An additional question: What would it mean if North had bid 4D instead of 4H?
Natural or fit showing non jump?

Thanks,
Jetkro.

[the hog]

Not in a FP auction with my partner.
4D by an unpassed hand is natural with my Pd.

[helium]

Hi, yes i whould say they are, if south pass he shows good cards and encour to bid 5 ♥ rateher than dubble:)

[paulg]

The only time this may be a forcing pass situation is when NS are vulnerable and EW are non-vul (I call this Red but also known as Red vs Green).

I play 4♦ is natural.

p

[the hog]

"Hi, yes i whould say they are, if south pass he shows good cards and encour to bid 5 ♥ rateher than dubble:) "

He he. This is known as the -590 vs -420 syndrome.

[Free]

I would say you are in a FP situations, since North bid out of free will. East bid again after his weak opening so he's clearly a beginner and need to learn not to do this

[jetkro]

It is not clear to me why this is not a FP auction.

1. Surely north bid 4H to make; not as a sacrifice? However it was bid under pressure
and could be wide ranging.
2. East's unusual 4S bid is undoubtedly a sacrifice. Did he discover a 7th spade?

Are the conditions not right for FP to apply?

jetkro

[EricK]

Free, on Sep 12 2004, 09:31 AM, said:

I would say you are in a FP situations, since North bid out of free will. East bid again after his weak opening so he's clearly a beginner and need to learn not to do this

How do you know what the lesson he needs to learn is? Maybe he needs to learn to pre-empt to the limit of his hand the first time, and this contract is actually making.

IMO This isn't a FP situation. You don't know whether partner really expected to make 4♥.

4D would be natural.

Eric

[skorchev]

cardsharp, on Sep 12 2004, 02:46 AM, said:

The only time this may be a forcing pass situation is when NS are vulnerable and EW are non-vul (I call this Red but also known as Red vs Green).

I play 4♦ is natural.

p

This one looks right for me.


Stefan

[Fluffy]

1 opponent has a weak 2, and the other a compettive 3 raise, the opener decided to bid 4 when wasn´t asked to... so this is in FACT a forcing situation because the opponents do not think they will make their contract at all.

[luke warm]

3H has to be a very strong bid.. in my opinion this is a forcing pass auction... had partner bid 4D, i'd have taken that as a fnj and then it would have definitely been fp

4H may or may not have been making (i think it was), but not doubling here is almost criminal

[Flame]

Imo the pass is forcing, mainly because of west's 3sp bid which is the bst indicate that the opponents are weak here.
About the 4d, its a FNJ bid (not natural). The meaning of this FNJ is probebly having a real diamond suit and not just for the lead, but im not sure about it.

[jtfanclub]

I have a suspicion that the 3S bidder has the strongest hand at the table.

I don't think that 3H or 4H promises a full opening count, so there is no forcing pass.

[paulhar]

I think you'll want the forcing pass more often than you don't in this situation. Yes, sometimes you'll go -590 against -420, but in more cases IMO, the overcaller will want to bid or double and will be happy to let partner decide.